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Posted on 11/21/19 at 10:48 pm to Lakebound
William F Buckley spoke at Auburn while I was there in the early 80s.
He opened his speech with that Churchill quote, then said “after spending the day on your campus here, I have the distinct impression that this institution is predominately comprised of the heartless being instructed by the brainless.”
He opened his speech with that Churchill quote, then said “after spending the day on your campus here, I have the distinct impression that this institution is predominately comprised of the heartless being instructed by the brainless.”
Posted on 11/21/19 at 11:10 pm to FearlessFreep
I enjoyed watching Buckley’s “Firing Line” show on PBS. It was always thought provoking and entertaining, even when you may not have totally agreed with him. If he were around today, I’m sure he would be called a RINO...... and that’s a shame.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 11:12 pm to MississippiLSUfan
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Its kind of funny to remember some of SFP’s old posts. He was a young firebrand for the left. A one man movement. It was glorious.
He is the perfect example of the real world hitting him and going ‘wait, wtf have I been voting for?’
Posted on 11/21/19 at 11:17 pm to AggieHank86
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But the data is entirely clear. The more education one has, the further left you will find that person on a political spectrum. That is not raw “intelligence” or “smart.” It is education level.
But how much of the politics are a result of the education and how much is the education the result of politics?
Posted on 11/21/19 at 11:19 pm to AggieHank86
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By the time I graduated law school at 25, my politics were pretty much where they are now. A Center-Right libertarian
None of that is true
Posted on 11/21/19 at 11:21 pm to MississippiLSUfan
I agree that people naturally get more conservative as they get older, but the reason that so many leftists have swung far right is that no self-respecting white man can be a leftist at this point. It didn't used to be that way, even if it was the incorrect position politically.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 3:17 am to AggieHank86
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have never seen even one study which says otherwise. Please share them if youhave them.
I find it stunning that you don't see the glaring problem in the conclusion drawn from the information you provided. It's basically another of your DailyKos moments here. But, OK. I'll help. The problems with the conclusion fall into two basic areas. Area 1 is, the data doesn't actually say what it is interpreted to say. Here's why.
1. The primary thing the data you provide shows is that the more "educated"(in quotes for a reason) one becomes, the less likely they are to have no real opinion. That's where the enormous shift occurs. A full 26% shift in the "mixed" category
2. I'm sure you'll point out that more of that goes to the left than right and, that's true. But, #2 would like to point out that now we have to talk about the absurdity of the fact that these graphs treat all "education" equally. IE, for the purpose of this graph, a 4 year degree in Dance = a 4 year degree in engineering in terms of educational rigor. It also treats a 4 year degree from Southern as equally educated with a 4 year degree from Duke. Both of which you and I both know are absurdities. WHICH BRINGS US to the next glaring omission.
3. The people who compile this info for lefties to slobber over could almost certainly break it down by area of education...…...but never do. Trust me, that ain't no accident. Let's be honest here. You'd discover what I, as a musician know. That there's about as much ideological diversity in your school's Music Ed and Dance departments(as with many others) as there is in your average southern black church.
Which brings us to area 2 that is problematic with the conclusion drawn from your graphs. Namely, that it's completely at odds with what we know to be true in the real world.
If one treats "educated" as smarter...…….and then one concludes that your graphs tell us that "smarter" people are liberal...……...then one has to conclude that being "smarter' means you are less likely to be economically successful.
Because even in the last election, you discover that the lower you go in income bracket, the higher your likelihood of voting Democrat. By a WIDE margin!
To believe what liberals like yourself blather about on this subject, I would have to conclude that there was no real correlation in the United States between being educated and one's future incomes!
Bottom line Hank, this is another of your DailyKos moments where you tried to sit there high minded pretending to not be what quite obviously are. A far left person who comes to this board to try and pretend you aren't so you can try and steer the board by being the "credible" middle guy.
It's a near certainty that the bulk of your time on the web is spent on hard left sites and you come here to try and wash the unwashed masses.
This post was edited on 11/22/19 at 3:38 am
Posted on 11/22/19 at 3:35 am to mmcgrath
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Roaaaad has been accused of being an AOC lefty because he voted for JBE.
The fact that he never bothered to make a conservative case for voting for JBE should tell you something.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 3:41 am to tzimme4
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There have been plenty of right minded people on here that refused to vote for Rispone. Not that JBE was the best vote, but the better one of the two
When they tried to make a conservative case for JBE, their arguments pretty much fell apart on cross examination and it became clear they bought into illusion politics as IB put it the other night. If you're a conservative, JBE's governorship has been absolutely indefensible.
Only one guy really tried to keep it up, Chesterton something I think was his name and he just kept posting walls of text and word salad to discourage substantive responses.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 3:52 am to Centinel
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I'm now a hardcore libertarian
You'll outgrow this too.
Sooner or later, you'll come to the conclusion that while libertarianism may sound good in theory, it's completely unworkable in reality as it ignores human nature and incompatible with thousands of years of human development.
As long as humans seek to control other humans, libertarianism will never work.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 5:58 am to MississippiLSUfan
The biggest thing about people is that once they learn that liberal unicorn milk is not free and is coming out of their paychecks, they slowly start leaning conservative.
Another philosophy that some people lean on is that in some people’s bubbles they see themselves as isolated from the true world. It can be raining a pouring around you, but in your bubble you are okay, so you lean to keep things the status quo. I sense that that too was a factor in the Governor’s race. There were enough conservative Republicans in a bubble of success who felt that JBE was the best option by keeping the status quo. That is why you had signs Republicans for JBE. The electoral map tells the story.
Another philosophy that some people lean on is that in some people’s bubbles they see themselves as isolated from the true world. It can be raining a pouring around you, but in your bubble you are okay, so you lean to keep things the status quo. I sense that that too was a factor in the Governor’s race. There were enough conservative Republicans in a bubble of success who felt that JBE was the best option by keeping the status quo. That is why you had signs Republicans for JBE. The electoral map tells the story.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 6:56 am to ShortyRob
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ShortyRob
Yeah, I don't disagree that if you start drilling down by degrees you reach conclusions that liberals would be less than enthused about.
I'll agree with Hank on an observation he shared either in this thread or elsewhere and that's that many right-leaning folks in the "real world" are a good ways left of several posters on this board. Obviously, I'm basing that on my own observations but I'm not hanging out with dance or gender studies majors.
This post was edited on 11/22/19 at 7:01 am
Posted on 11/22/19 at 8:10 am to AggieHank86
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But the data is entirely clear. The more education one has, the further left you will find that person on a political spectrum. That is not raw “intelligence” or “smart.” It is education level.
That's because conservatives tend to favor business/STEM degrees while liberals favor the arts degrees. Most business/STEM people stop at the Bachelor's or Master's level.
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Of the 1,921,000 bachelor's degrees conferred in 2015–16, the greatest numbers of degrees were conferred in the fields of business (372,000), health professions and related programs (229,000), social sciences and history (161,000), psychology (117,000), biological and biomedical sciences (114,000), engineering (107,000), visual and performing arts (93,000), and communication, journalism, and related programs (93,000).
At the master’s degree level, the greatest numbers of degrees were conferred in the fields of business (187,000), education (146,000), and health professions and related programs (110,000).
At the doctor’s degree level, the greatest numbers of degrees were conferred in the fields of health professions and related programs (73,700), legal professions and studies (37,000), education (11,800), engineering (10,200), biological and biomedical sciences (7,900), psychology (6,500), and physical sciences and science technologies (6,000).
The 3 highest doctoral programs are health, legal, and education, all of which tend to lean left. Business is the top degree at the Bachelor's and Master's level, but is virtually non-existent at the PhD level. Outside of business, the top Master's are health and education.
The truth is that people in the fields that attract more conservatives can be successful with less formal education. An engineer with a only a Bachelor's can do alright. Success in a liberal arts career usually requires more than that. That's why liberal arts majors with only a Bachelor's end up as baristas.
Computer Science graduates number about 65,000 at the Bachelor's level and most don't go beyond that because certifications are more important than postgrad degrees. (Almost 50% more people chose a visual/performing arts degree and over 150% chose a social science/history degree rather than a computer science degree. No wonder liberals always complain about paying back student loans.)
If you ignore business, then liberal arts degrees vastly outnumber STEM degrees at all levels. So, conservatives are more willing to go to work and learn a trade than liberals.
Your post is true, but you can also say, "The more liberal you are, the more likely you are to view physical labor as anathema" or "The more liberal you are, the longer you delay your entrance into the real world" or "The more liberal you are, the more likely you are to choose a career path that doesn't require math."
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Posted on 11/22/19 at 8:10 am to AggieHank86
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This post was edited on 11/22/19 at 8:11 am
Posted on 11/22/19 at 8:37 am to moneyg
Oh, I have awareness. I just have a lot of experience with the real world apart from this echo chamber, including dealing with people in other parts of the country.
You guys seem to think that disdain for Trump equates with being a leftist, and that’s a load of horseshite.
You guys seem to think that disdain for Trump equates with being a leftist, and that’s a load of horseshite.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 11:00 am to Jorts R Us
quote:Yep
Yeah, I don't disagree that if you start drilling down by degrees you reach conclusions that liberals would be less than enthused about.
And, they sort of expose it by always using the general measure and never the specific. I mean, you can pretty much bet that if they discovered all of the really hard degrees were full of liberals, we'd know about it.
quote:Well yeah. I agree with that. That actually applies in both directions.
I'll agree with Hank on an observation he shared either in this thread or elsewhere and that's that many right-leaning folks in the "real world" are a good ways left of several posters on this board.
People who are highly engaged politically, left or right, will be to the left or right of the general population that is less engaged. Probably always been that way.
Bottom line though is that the left runs around spouting this shite when even a cursory logic check tells you there's a problem. IE, if their favorite assertion is true, then, it logically follows that being "educated" makes you less likely to be economically successful.
Which, well. Yeah. No one actually thinks that. If they did, we wouldn't have a student loan problem because people wouldn't be killing themselves to get degrees.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 11:02 am to VOR
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Oh, I have awareness. I just have a lot of experience with the real world apart from this echo chamber, including dealing with people in other parts of the country.
You've become basically aligned with AOC
You're liberal. But, oddly, like so many liberals, you refuse to admit it.
For my entire adult lifetime, this phenomenon has existed. I've never met someone who was accused of being conservative based on their stated positions run around denying it. Not even once.
But liberals? shite, they're like cockroaches when you turn the light on.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 11:03 am to VOR
quote:Oh, and no one thinks this.
You guys seem to think that disdain for Trump equates with being a leftist, and that’s a load of horseshite.
That's just shite liberals say to deflect who they are.
You'll still be liberal when Trump is gone from the office
Posted on 11/22/19 at 11:08 am to Caplewood
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Cringe
Pardon me for actually being educated on the political processes of this country instead of parroting media talking points, and in turn wanting to reduce the size and power of the current bloated government.
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