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re: In just a few years, the average retiree will be receiving 37% more in SS than he paid in
Posted on 2/24/24 at 10:48 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 2/24/24 at 10:48 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Money doesn’t grow as you stated, it does shrink though. The SS was a Ponzi scheme that we were made forcefully to be part of. There was no way for it to work from inception. It was simply a Democrat scheme of relying upon government and their policies.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 10:51 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
As usual the data you rely on is useless TP and incomplete analysis
Posted on 2/24/24 at 11:22 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Not me. I am skewing the stats the other way. Not that anyone cares.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 11:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Since Congress made this agreement and I was forced to accept the terms, then they owe me every dime they promised.
If I would have been allowed to invest my money all these years and get the 5-7% stock growth, I would likely have been more pleased than I will be on my $50k a year of social security and Medicare for maybe 30 years.
If I would have been allowed to invest my money all these years and get the 5-7% stock growth, I would likely have been more pleased than I will be on my $50k a year of social security and Medicare for maybe 30 years.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 11:26 pm to Eurocat
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Clinton and Gore, say what you want, if those policies had been continued, things would not be so bad now.
Clinton cut taxes which saw the economic boom he gets credited for.
Because he cut taxes.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 11:36 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:It's apparent you don't.
I simply don’t think the average person on the left or the right currently grasps the shite storm ...
BTW, why post an Andrew Biggs Opinion piece without a link, as if it is hard news?
Why lump Medicare and SS together as they are as different as your IRA and health insurance?
Why the angst about SS in 2032, when the rest of our budget CURRENTLY is running at that deficit level?
As Biggs lets us in on his opinion, those are questions you should be asking.
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The fact is SS is not a retirement program.
It is not a benefit to the recipient.
It is a loan you and I and every employed American is forced to give to Uncle Sam.
The beneficiary is the Federal Government!
Uncle Sam borrows your SS contributions and converts them into paltry returning bonds or debt instruments. The correspondent debt pool is referred to as the SS Trust Fund. There is no actual money in the SSTF, just IOUs.
If the same SS contributions were invested in the stock market, munis, or even 30-yr treasuries there would be no pending 2032 program deficit. But of course, if Uncle Sam invested the money in stocks, he'd not have it to spend on Ukraine, or Solyndra, or funding of DOJ lawfare targeting Trump, etc. That would defeat the purpose.
Again, the program beneficiary is Uncle Sam, not you. Uncle Sam sets a paltry ROI, and you have no say in it. Now government claims you owe more because the ROI the feds allot doesn't cover payouts.
Meanwhile SS SOL increases roll in to further strain the program. That is no accident.
But, the bottomline is SS is currently in surplus. The rest of our budget is not.
When the Feds tell you to focus on a fiscal problem a decade off, while not addressing current areas which are far more problematic than SS will ever be, you'd better hold on to your wallet.
This post was edited on 2/24/24 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 2/24/24 at 11:49 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:SS contributions-to-payout run about 78%, and basically maintain that ratio for the next 75yrs. Given that fact, how does the average recipient receive lifetime benefits 37% above the taxes he paid over his career, including interest? As we consider fixes, that is a bit of math needing to be addressed.
The data is based on averages.
Posted on 2/24/24 at 11:52 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I’m not sure if it is because nobody wants it admit they are getting unearned benefits or what, but the numbers are the numbers.
If true, the government would have no problem letting people opt out.
Posted on 2/25/24 at 12:02 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
I've contributed $197,000 to social security and I'm not even 40. Every dollar I get will be a victory.
Posted on 2/25/24 at 12:07 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:That "system" would be an IRA.
Please explain to me how a system can be self funding if it not only pays out to each individual what they paid in, but also pays out the hypothetical market return that individuals lost out on.
Want another irony?
SS payouts are taxed. Ponder that for a moment. If they weren't taxed, and payouts were reduced accordingly, we could significantly extend solvency. But once again, none of this is about the recipient "beneficiary" or even program solvency. It is a money grab. With our deficits, Uncle Sam needs a bigger borrow.
So the Feds will continue to tax SS with taxes which don't return to the SSTF. They go to the general fund just like the original SS contributions did, with nothing but an IOU in the SSTF to show for it.
Posted on 2/25/24 at 12:11 am to Azkiger
quote:Exactly. Just pay us what we paid in with SSTF interest accrued, and zero out the program. That will never happen. The Feds need the borrow, and they need more, which is why there is such a push to raise payroll taxes 10 years before the fact.
If true, the government would have no problem letting people opt out.
Posted on 2/25/24 at 2:14 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Social Security has left me “completely broken”.
Posted on 2/25/24 at 2:22 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
I would like an accurate amount that people paid who died right before they were old enough to get a dime. I would venture at least 50% or more money workers pay in and die without getting anything back. There are tons of 40 somethings dying all around us from drug over doses. But half my graduating class is gone. What does the govt. do with their money?
Posted on 2/25/24 at 2:24 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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This is a 100 irrelevant. You are speaking purely in hypotheticals.
The way you couch this indicates it is irrelevant due to being a hypothetical.
You do realize what you quote in your original post is a "hypothetical" also, right? It is a projection by the CBO...
Posted on 2/25/24 at 2:56 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Welfare is fully funded with no shortage.
Foodstamps fully funded with no shortage.
6 Trillion dollars taken from Social Security to fund these entitlements fully.
OP has no concept of what his government is about, or where the money is going.
Foodstamps fully funded with no shortage.
6 Trillion dollars taken from Social Security to fund these entitlements fully.
OP has no concept of what his government is about, or where the money is going.
Posted on 2/25/24 at 3:40 am to RiverCityTider
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The government stole the money and now they pay ss out of the general fund.
The government steals your money but not in the case you’re referring to here (Social Security).
This mythical theft is how people justify, in their minds, SS running dry. The reality is that it is not sustainable and that what people contributed is less than what they are receiving.
Posted on 2/25/24 at 4:26 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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The wsj article linked in my OP is adjusted for the interest return, friend.
What interest return did they use? The links aren't working.
Posted on 2/25/24 at 5:09 am to bigblake
quote:By what parameter?
what people contributed is less than what they are receiving.
You are implying that a person receiving $150 today, in return for a $100 dollar contribution made 40yrs ago, contributed less than what they are receiving.
Yet, that $150 represents only a ~1% rate of annual return on the original investment. At standard market ROI that $100 investment would have grown to $5900 over 40yrs.
So, at the same time you're lauding the government for returning more than was contributed, you should understand the average retiree is getting royally screwed in the process.
Posted on 2/25/24 at 5:53 am to NC_Tigah
Is this analysis ignoring employer contributions?
Is this analysis using long term US borrowing rate relevant to the investment period?
Is this analysis using long term US borrowing rate relevant to the investment period?
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