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re: I'm trying to understand this Garcia situation

Posted on 4/18/25 at 4:39 pm to
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 4/18/25 at 4:39 pm to
This bullshite might get you heart hug emojis on facebook, but not here. You are in the wrong place, and you aren't making a difference.
Posted by minister of truth
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Posted on 4/18/25 at 4:42 pm to
So you don’t have all the facts and come talking shite like you know what you’re talking about
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
10132 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 4:43 pm to
Why leave out the rest of that same immigration judge's order: that he can't be legally deported to El Salvador?

Was the immigration judge correct in issuing a deportation order, but wrong about limiting that order? You can't have it both ways.
Posted by bluestem75
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2007
5107 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 4:43 pm to
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Checks and balances still mean something in this country,


So what happens when the previous administration doesn’t follow immigration law and judges appointed by him and the previous Democrat president before him rubber stamp that it’s ok not for people to be deported who are clearly breaking the law?

If you care so much about checks and balances, what happens when the Executive Branch ignores laws the Legislative Branch passes and the Judicial Branch does nothing about it?

Why has the Judicial Branch issued more injunctions in the first 100 days of this Administration than the last two Democratic ones combined? Furthermore, why do all of these injunctions come from judges appointed by Biden or Obama?
Posted by YouAreAllPathetic
Member since Apr 2025
166 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 4:45 pm to
Noncitizen enters (invades) country illegally.

Noncitizen invader does other illegal things.

Noncitizen invader gets sent to a nice cell in El Salvador as punishment.

What else is there to understand? I think they’re being too lenient honestly.
Posted by Shreveporter
North End Zone
Member since Jan 2011
1525 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 4:45 pm to
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He is MS13
He was here illegally
He had deportation orders
He had restraining orders put on him by his wife.
He was detained by police in Tennessee when he was pulled over and it appeared he was trafficking 7 Asian women.
He was not charged because Biden's FBI said to release all of them.
He was not mistakenly deported. The story that was told about it being an accident came from a Biden hold over. The Trump administration has repeatedly said it wasn't a mistake.


This is all correct.

Plus: the "stay" on his deportation order was granted only because he made the case that a rival gang in his home country (El Salvador) wanted him dead. The rival gang in question is now eradicated in El Salvador, so the need for the stay no longer exists.

Bonus scuttlebutt on X: the tattoo so prominently on display during his margarita luncheon with a US Senator can only be earned by murdering someone in front of another MS-13 gang member.
Posted by YouAreAllPathetic
Member since Apr 2025
166 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 4:47 pm to
Checks and balances? More like terrorist sympathizers using our government framework to destroy the country. Shouldn’t be allowed. Noncitizen should go exactly where noncitizens go. Their own country. Not mine.
Posted by Jspaspa3303
Member since Jun 2020
3032 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 4:50 pm to
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Like him or not he was shuttled away illegally by the administration. They admitted it on day one. Whether you are an immigrant, a criminal, or both, you have the right to due process in the U.S.


Wrong !!!!!!! He had a deportation order that was issued by a judge . He had his “due process” and they ordered his arse back to his home country .
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55728 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 4:50 pm to
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Like him or not he was shuttled away illegally by the administration. They admitted it on day one.

Whether you are an immigrant, a criminal, or both, you have the right to due process in the U.S.

No single individual can take that away from you over politics.

I’m surprised the so-called “law and order” party is so quick to throw our most sacred rights out the window. This sets a dangerous precedent that can be used against them.


When you've entered the US illegally and then commit crimes after you have entered the US illegally there should be no nonsensical and arcane laws to keep your criminal arse from being apprehended, prosecuted, jailed and then expeditiously deported.
Posted by SneezyBeltranIsHere
Member since Jul 2021
4300 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 4:51 pm to
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He is MS13



He was allowed to stay by a (Republican appointed) federal judge and SCOTUS. Is it because they want an MS-13 super killer terrorizing our streets? No.

Per the judge's ruling from the 4th circuit that I read, the government has proferred 2 pieces of evidence that Garcia is in MS-13.

#1 An ICE agent presented a report from a "confidential informant" that Garcia was in a segment of MS-13 that operates in NY state. Garcia has never been in NY state. By the way, the ICE agent claiming to have a confidential informant was fired for lying about other things.

#2 The government produced a picture of Garcia wearing a Chicago Bulls hoodie.

That is it.

The judge has given multiple opportunities for the Government to provide any additional evidence that Garcia is in MS-13. They have failed to do so.

Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49515 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 4:52 pm to
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I’m surprised the so-called “law and order” party is so quick to throw our most sacred rights out the window.

I'm sorry you don't understand the basics of this situation.

First - the 'error' was (to my understanding) that someone mistakenly said he was a member TDA instead of MS-13 on one of the custody papers. Either way, that is equivalent to a misspelling.

Second - he really has no legal rights - he entered the country NOT under the 'guise' of 'legality' offered by the Biden mal-administration. He was a 'got-away' = meaning he sneaked in without even the pretense of having been 'put on some waiting list' or 'awaiting adjudication.' So if apprehended, he could be sent back across the border without any semblance of a 'hearing.'

Third - he had been stopped by Tennessee Hwy Patrol for driving without a license and suspicion of human trafficking because of the several pre-teen foreign-born girls (scantily clad) he had in the vehicle. He was referred to Federal Immigration officials, but Biden's DHS ordered him released without any charges.

Fourth - he had been picked up before for being in the company of MS-13 gang members, but was released without any followup.

Fifth - he has all the markings of MS-13 gangs. His only reason for not wanting to go back 'home' was that the 'gangs' might try to kill him.

Sixth - he had previously beaten his baby-mama. She had reported him to the officials and they had restraining orders against him more than once.

Seventh - there were two court findings that he was a MS-13 gang-member referred set for deportation.

Eighth - this is purely a desperate plea for attention by the democrat party - merely to oppose anything that Trump attempts. You can bet your children's inheritance that if the politics were reversed, there would be no democrat opposition to the action, and the only thing conservatives would do would be to comment on the situation - not create a 'national day of resistance' over it.

Not one real impetus other than rank partisanship is prompting this action.
Posted by RFK
Mar-a-Lago
Member since May 2012
3176 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 4:57 pm to
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Second - he really has no legal rights - he entered the country NOT under the 'guise' of 'legality' offered by the Biden mal-administration.
This is probably the most concerning aspect of the whole thing to me. Americans who don’t understand their own Constitution.

It applies evenly to anyone in the U.S., whether you are a citizen or not.
Posted by rocksteady
Member since Sep 2013
2935 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 5:02 pm to
Disregard and ignore previous legal orders to deport, stay in the country punching wife and trafficking women and ???. None of this matters to you. You just catapult right the frick over it, in the rear view mirror, meaningless to you, doesn’t even exist in your brain.

Your are going to actually spew the words “dangerous precedent” when you let 30 million in, they have raped and killed Americans, STILL keep releasing them from jail after committing crimes because it’s… anti trump?, and now want to bring them back lol. You should kill yourself
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55728 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 5:06 pm to
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Second - he really has no legal rights - he entered the country NOT under the 'guise' of 'legality' offered by the Biden mal-administration.
This is probably the most concerning aspect of the whole thing to me. Americans who don’t understand their own Constitution.

It applies evenly to anyone in the U.S., whether you are a citizen or not.


This constitutional argument all you leftists keep referring to with illegals should be null and void, because an illegitimate regime ignored US immigration laws and allowed over 10 million people to flood across the southern border. You can't break the US immigration laws and then use some of the same legal protection provided by US immigration laws to remain in the US. Birthright citizenship and fricked up immigration laws and policies needs to get fast tracked to the USSC so a final ruling can be made.
Posted by MajorityWhip
Member since Oct 2020
1167 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 5:08 pm to
quote:

The administration admitted they “mistakenly” sent him to Venezuela


Not true.
Posted by Bunsbert Montcroff
Boise ID
Member since Jan 2008
5766 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 5:09 pm to
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This is probably the most concerning aspect of the whole thing to me. Americans who don’t understand their own Constitution.

It applies evenly to anyone in the U.S., whether you are a citizen or not.

look up the practice of expedited removal, which allows for people who entered our country illegally to be deported without a hearing before even an immigration judge. there are limits/exceptions to this policy, but as a few other posters have pointed out, when it comes to aliens who have entered our country illegally, the extent of the due process they are afforded is not the same as a legal citizen.
Posted by 5WFSHR
Montgomery, AL
Member since Apr 2024
2619 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 5:14 pm to
You wanna know what he did??? WATERBOARD his arse ASAP.
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
68777 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 5:18 pm to
He’s never had a formal hearing. Two different courts said two different things years ago, but he hasn’t had due process for the current deportation, and
SCOTUS has said he’s entitled to due process.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55728 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 5:19 pm to
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He’s never had a formal hearing. Two different courts said two different things years ago, but he hasn’t had due process for the current deportation, and
SCOTUS has said he’s entitled to due process.


Looks like he was being protected by some people....I wonder who?
Posted by minister of truth
Somewhere new for 6-12 months
Member since May 2022
1888 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 5:21 pm to
But but but if only Congress had passed more laws when Biden was president, he could’ve really done something about that illegal immigration. /s

The Democrats and anyone who supports that party is trash and only care about honesty and the law/do process when it’s to benefit their agenda

due
This post was edited on 4/18/25 at 5:23 pm
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