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re: I’m Starting To Lean To The US Blowing Up Nordstream Because Of The Select Media Stories
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:09 am to crazy4lsu
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:09 am to crazy4lsu
its absolutely optics. You want the US to pound its chest and take credit for what could be perceived as its entry into a hot war with Russia? Denial is the smart play IF they did it or coordinated to do it.
The motivations are clear. The US never wanted Europe, particularly Germany, sourcing energy from Russia. It undermines sanctions, strengthens trade alliances, screws Ukraine, seeds European ports across the Baltic with Russian spies, and this pipeline has been Russia's best leverage as winter comes. Russia's energy comes with strings.
The motivations are clear. The US never wanted Europe, particularly Germany, sourcing energy from Russia. It undermines sanctions, strengthens trade alliances, screws Ukraine, seeds European ports across the Baltic with Russian spies, and this pipeline has been Russia's best leverage as winter comes. Russia's energy comes with strings.
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Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:13 am to Vacherie Saint
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its absolutely optics. You want the US to pound its chest and take credit for what could be perceived as its entry into a hot war with Russia? Denial is the smart play IF they did it or coordinated to do it.
Do you think European intelligence are subject to media optics?
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The motivations are clear. The US never wanted Europe, particularly Germany, sourcing energy from Russia.
Again, I'm begging you to at least read a tiny bit about European geopolitics from 2000 onwards, because if that was the aim, the US could have taken far more substantive measures well before this. This view only works if you decide to ignore everything about the past.
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Russia's energy comes with strings.
No shite. Again, if you had any self-awareness at all, then you might realize how silly this notion is given gas disputes with Russia before this.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:19 am to crazy4lsu
Yep, we did it, and you knew it when John Brennen said it was the Russians… For me, that sealed it, 100% it was us….
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:37 am to crazy4lsu
This post makes no sense at all.
literally none.
We have openly opposed the pipeline, threatened to destroy it, shut it down with sanctions, and now.. just weeks before a brutal German winter that could rapidly shift the power balance in this war.. it magically blows up.
Someone did it. There's a reasonable case to be made that the US is responsible, and its clear why we (or anyone else) wouldn't want to claim responsibility. Its simple.
literally none.
We have openly opposed the pipeline, threatened to destroy it, shut it down with sanctions, and now.. just weeks before a brutal German winter that could rapidly shift the power balance in this war.. it magically blows up.
Someone did it. There's a reasonable case to be made that the US is responsible, and its clear why we (or anyone else) wouldn't want to claim responsibility. Its simple.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:39 am to CamdenTiger
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when John Brennen said it was the Russians
Isnt it sad that this has become a solid reason to implicate the US?
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:43 am to Vacherie Saint
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We have openly opposed the pipeline, threatened to destroy it, shut it down with sanctions, and now.. just weeks before a brutal German winter that could rapidly shift the power balance in this war.. it magically blows up.
Things exist before you notice them, dumbass.
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Someone did it. There's a reasonable case to be made that the US is responsible, and its clear why we (or anyone else) wouldn't want to claim responsibility. Its simple.
I can think of several. Tom Schelling laid out one possible version involving the Soviets in his book The Strategy of Conflict. Maybe you should take a break and go read a book for a while to catch up on all the stuff you missed.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:49 am to crazy4lsu
you can save your righteous indignation, name calling, and 20 year old history lessons for someone who gives a shite.
There's a theory that the US may be involved.
Is there motive? Yes
Is there capability? Yes
Is there precedent? Hell Yes
Are the Russian truthers connected to the regime all pointing the finger elsewhere? Yes
Is the media in complete unison on a specific narrative? Yes
These are all indicators, whether your jimmies can handle them or not.
There's a theory that the US may be involved.
Is there motive? Yes
Is there capability? Yes
Is there precedent? Hell Yes
Are the Russian truthers connected to the regime all pointing the finger elsewhere? Yes
Is the media in complete unison on a specific narrative? Yes
These are all indicators, whether your jimmies can handle them or not.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:50 am to Vacherie Saint
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We have openly opposed the pipeline, threatened to destroy it, shut it down with sanctions, and now.. just weeks before a brutal German winter that could rapidly shift the power balance in this war.. it magically blows up.
If it was already shut down by sanctions why did we need to blow it up? It wasn't going to be delivering fuel to Germany this winter
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:53 am to Powerman
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If it was already shut down by sanctions why did we need to blow it up? It wasn't going to be delivering fuel to Germany this winter
Because it could very easily be turned back on?
You think Germany was going to let its people freeze to death?
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:55 am to Vacherie Saint
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20 year old history lessons for someone who gives a shite.
If anyone needs it, it is definitely you. You barely seem to have object permanence.
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There's a theory that the US may be involved.
Is there motive? Yes
Is there capability? Yes
Is there precedent? Hell Yes
Think this through.
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Are the Russian truthers connected to the regime all pointing the finger elsewhere? Yes
Is the media in complete unison on a specific narrative? Yes
Only meaningful to you. Again, European intelligence agencies aren't moved by media portrayals. On one side, you have the possibility of the US running the risk of fracturing an alliance it built, just as that alliance decides to spend at levels the US wanted them to spend since 2014. The long-term geopolitical view makes absolutely no sense in your version. Given how Putin referred to the incident today, and recent statements by the Kremlin, I'm again skeptical of unilateral US involvement.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:56 am to Vacherie Saint
Biden said he was going to do it just like he said he was going to steal 2020. 
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:59 am to Powerman
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You likely happily ignore the anonymous sources when the story doesn't go against something that you want to believe
Or he will use common sense. The Baltic line was about to open. Why would Russia blow it up? What do they gain by costing themselves billions when they could just turn it off?
Occam’s Razor points to the reality. Our own cia did this and was likely carried out by 3rd party contractors.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:02 am to crazy4lsu
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Only meaningful to you.
People like John Brennan, who thoughtlessly and incorrectly blame Russia for literally everything is a red flag. Period.
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European intelligence agencies
Have nothing to do with a perceived direct act of war by the US against Russia
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US running the risk of fracturing an alliance it built
another fantastic reason not to squeal
quote:Your bias is showing. Since you are so interested in history, you would know that the US has a long and rich history of fricking with other nations covertly to serve its own interests.
I'm again skeptical of unilateral US involvement.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:02 am to Vacherie Saint
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Because it could very easily be turned back on?
You think Germany was going to let its people freeze to death?
Well that's the problem with the US theory
If we did blow it up and we can't discount that possibility, we would have done so in defiance of our European allies
Does that seem likely to you?
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:03 am to Vacherie Saint
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People like John Brennan, who thoughtlessly and incorrectly blame Russia for literally everything is a red flag. Period.
Cool. I don't care what Brennen thinks.
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another fantastic reason not to squeal
Do you know how intelligence works man?
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Your bias is showing. Since you are so interested in history, you would know that the US has a long and rich history of fricking with other nations covertly to serve its own interests.
As is yours. Do you think the US is the only nation to do this?
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:04 am to Powerman
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You think Trump won California. Why would anyone care what you think?
Hello straw man
Very poor attempt
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:04 am to Powerman
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defiance of our European allies
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Does that seem likely to you?
Yes. Seems extremely likely. The US has a disgusting, shameful, and duplicitous history of backstabbing geopolitical frickery.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:05 am to Vacherie Saint
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Yes. Seems extremely likely. The US has a disgusting, shameful, and duplicitous history of backstabbing geopolitical frickery.
Lol, look at your little arse and bringing morals into geopolitics. God damn you are dim.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:07 am to crazy4lsu
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Do you know how intelligence works man?
Yes. It works at the behest of the regime in power and works to usurp any narratives against that regime. You can continue to pretend that these people are freedom fighters, but the rest of sane society knows better.
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As is yours. Do you think the US is the only nation to do this?
No. Which is why I find it telling that the lefties are so dug in on killing this debate. The US is as plausible a culprit as anyone.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:08 am to crazy4lsu
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Lol, look at your little arse and bringing morals into geopolitics. God damn you are dim.
Is this an argument? Why are you so angry?
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