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re: I’m starting to come to the conclusion that Andrew Yang is Trump’s most dangerous opponent
Posted on 6/19/19 at 7:48 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 6/19/19 at 7:48 am to OMLandshark
I’m going to come off like a Debbie downer here...
I think Trump has a very good chance of winning in 2020. If I were a betting man, I’d put it on him at this point.
But, I sincerely believe he may be the last republican president for at least 12 years. I just don’t think there’s any way to turn the tide of immigrant voters or enforce voting laws that are clearly being violated. I’m not saying I’m giving up or I’m just going to become a full fledged socialist, I just see the writing on the wall.
That being said, if the country is going to go towards a socialist bend, I would rather it be Yang’s flavor of it and not Bernie/Warren’s. I haven’t heard every speech he’s made, but most of his stances have been based on helping everyone and not blaming rich people or innovation, just recognizing that our economy and job market is going to make a shift in the future.
I’m not saying I’m going to vote for the guy under any pretenses and I think his idealism is laughable at best, I just prefer it to the “blame the rich white man for every conceivable ill and take their money” stances from the rest of his competition.
I think Trump has a very good chance of winning in 2020. If I were a betting man, I’d put it on him at this point.
But, I sincerely believe he may be the last republican president for at least 12 years. I just don’t think there’s any way to turn the tide of immigrant voters or enforce voting laws that are clearly being violated. I’m not saying I’m giving up or I’m just going to become a full fledged socialist, I just see the writing on the wall.
That being said, if the country is going to go towards a socialist bend, I would rather it be Yang’s flavor of it and not Bernie/Warren’s. I haven’t heard every speech he’s made, but most of his stances have been based on helping everyone and not blaming rich people or innovation, just recognizing that our economy and job market is going to make a shift in the future.
I’m not saying I’m going to vote for the guy under any pretenses and I think his idealism is laughable at best, I just prefer it to the “blame the rich white man for every conceivable ill and take their money” stances from the rest of his competition.
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Posted on 6/19/19 at 7:52 am to OMLandshark
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I think this board should have a requirement of having 90 IQ before posting.
Where would you post then??
LINK
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Automation won’t make truckers obsolete, said Tim Smith, general manager of business strategy and planning for Navistar International Corp., during a panel at the Advanced Clean Transportation Expo last month in Long Beach, Calif. Drivers will start to look more like managers who focus on tasks impossible for current technology.
There will always be a driver required. Planes have been taking off and landing autonomously for a long time.
The issues:
- The break down of the vehicle be it Truck or Plane.
- If a Plane malfunctions.... 100s die.
- IF a Semi malfunctions... people die.
- If the Truck breaks down, cargo is unprotected. This opens up a huge possibility for theft... A lot of it. All via hackers
- It also allows for terrorism.... etc... hackers... and they won't even have to risk lives..... just take them
You will always have a driver or pilot
Posted on 6/19/19 at 8:03 am to OMLandshark
I know you and Skule are shills for Yang but you made some decent points.
That's still poor attendance for a Trump rally but it's positively yuuuuuge for any of the Dem candidates. I'll try looking into his attendance numbers if I have some time this week.
He's young enough to have the energy for a solid run and he seems to have the drive. The problem though is so many of the most vocal Dem supporters are of the mindset that their candidate's primary quality must be that they fricking hate Trump with the searing heat of a thousand flaring suns. These are the people that get on TV, get their Tweets re-tweeted and write highly-read OpEds in the most popular newspapers.
Let me be clear on this: The DNC and media are not going to give favorable time and/or coverage to any Democrat candidate who does not run primarily on OrangeManBad (unless they make it to the general election).
They were told in the 70's that automation was going to take their jobs. What ended up happening was that NAFTA did far more than what automation could. I think there's an eventuality for even more automation with upcoming tech but I think "20 years" is a bit more fear-mongering than rooted in truth.
With all that said there's also the political machine within the DNC. Ellison and crew want a posterchild for their victimization philosophy, to them it's the ultimate story of triumph of the human spirit for someone female and/or black and/or Muslim to win. Asians are the only racial group who outperforms whites, thus having an Asian candidate actually defeats their class warfare strategery.
So, no. Yang will never make it to the general election.
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For someone that no one had ever heard of before January, that’s a pretty sizable crowd, and still 90% of the country hasn’t heard of him yet.
That's still poor attendance for a Trump rally but it's positively yuuuuuge for any of the Dem candidates. I'll try looking into his attendance numbers if I have some time this week.
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He’s not going to collapse on the campaign trail, nor does he think America is filled with baskets of deplorables as 3/4 of the Democrats have really implied.
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People are paying attention to that idiot weirdo Beto, but Yang will rake him over the coals, as well as every other Democrat who has no other platform than “frick Trump”.
He's young enough to have the energy for a solid run and he seems to have the drive. The problem though is so many of the most vocal Dem supporters are of the mindset that their candidate's primary quality must be that they fricking hate Trump with the searing heat of a thousand flaring suns. These are the people that get on TV, get their Tweets re-tweeted and write highly-read OpEds in the most popular newspapers.
Let me be clear on this: The DNC and media are not going to give favorable time and/or coverage to any Democrat candidate who does not run primarily on OrangeManBad (unless they make it to the general election).
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Pay attention to this guy, because I think his message will majorly appeal to the Rust Belt and people smart enough to realize that their job won’t exist in 20 years.
They were told in the 70's that automation was going to take their jobs. What ended up happening was that NAFTA did far more than what automation could. I think there's an eventuality for even more automation with upcoming tech but I think "20 years" is a bit more fear-mongering than rooted in truth.
With all that said there's also the political machine within the DNC. Ellison and crew want a posterchild for their victimization philosophy, to them it's the ultimate story of triumph of the human spirit for someone female and/or black and/or Muslim to win. Asians are the only racial group who outperforms whites, thus having an Asian candidate actually defeats their class warfare strategery.
So, no. Yang will never make it to the general election.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 8:05 am to TeLeFaWx
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but at least he isn't ideologically tied to making UBI work on top of our current system, but sees it as a way to help ween people off the government teet.
How is paying them a salary monthly by the gov weaning anybody off the teet?
Posted on 6/19/19 at 8:12 am to OMLandshark
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Almost every trucking job will be gone in 10-15 years.
That’s the dumbest fricking shite posted here in a long time. It won’t happen on a huge scale in my lifetime and I’m only 32 and plan on living a while.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 8:15 am to 3nOut
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. I just don’t think there’s any way to turn the tide of immigrant voters or enforce voting laws that are clearly being violated.
We have guns bro... when it gets bad we have ways of evening up the voting pool.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 8:20 am to OMLandshark
Pro tip: they’ll vote for whoever the media tells them to vote for.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 8:34 am to OMLandshark
Yang is by far the smartest and most rational of the Dem Field; not a high bar, but the contrast will show in a debate. Collectivist Ideology nws.
His vision is toward the future; there is no doubt that things are going to change in ways that traditional (merit-based) economic models will become obsolete, and likely unworkable. Even if there are a hundred million unemployable people, their needs must be addressed, lest a meltdown and civil war result.
Yang is the future of the Dem Party...if they have a future. Egalitarianism always will have moral appeal; as compassion for the weak is a Religious (Christianity at our fore) core principle. And QUALIFIED MERCY (Government Subsidization) will and must be a part of any Government Subsidization mechanism. Once high-tech wipes out the easy jobs, the whole dynamic changes; there will be a LOT of unemployable people. Yang's encouragement toward Civic work, is both rational and moral.
If Humanity is able to jump this coming societal hurdle, it will be through a synthesis of now competing polar Economic/Moral Paradigms. The Fermi Paradox/"Great Filter" remains indifferent; the effect therein is not.
The coming years will be a fascinating and pivotal scenario.
His vision is toward the future; there is no doubt that things are going to change in ways that traditional (merit-based) economic models will become obsolete, and likely unworkable. Even if there are a hundred million unemployable people, their needs must be addressed, lest a meltdown and civil war result.
Yang is the future of the Dem Party...if they have a future. Egalitarianism always will have moral appeal; as compassion for the weak is a Religious (Christianity at our fore) core principle. And QUALIFIED MERCY (Government Subsidization) will and must be a part of any Government Subsidization mechanism. Once high-tech wipes out the easy jobs, the whole dynamic changes; there will be a LOT of unemployable people. Yang's encouragement toward Civic work, is both rational and moral.
If Humanity is able to jump this coming societal hurdle, it will be through a synthesis of now competing polar Economic/Moral Paradigms. The Fermi Paradox/"Great Filter" remains indifferent; the effect therein is not.
The coming years will be a fascinating and pivotal scenario.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 8:45 am to Jjdoc
If UBI is some sort of a cap, where all other programs(welfare, snap, section 8) are eliminated, it would be an interesting idea. Most of these social programs, while they have abuses and do not encourage people to get off their asses, I sometimes see them as being a positive for mostly middle income families like my own. The people who milk the system will always take the easiest route possible. If it isn't free, then they will move than likely rob and steal. I have come to the realization I would rather pay a little more in taxes than have to shoot and possibly kill another human being who is standing in my house or pulls a gun on me in the street. My life gets way more complicated in that situation than paying 3% more in income taxes.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 8:51 am to RCDfan1950
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Yang is the future of the Dem Party...if they have a future. Egalitarianism always will have moral appeal; as compassion for the weak is a Religious (Christianity at our fore) core principle. And QUALIFIED MERCY (Government Subsidization) will and must be a part of any Government Subsidization mechanism. Once high-tech wipes out the easy jobs, the whole dynamic changes; there will be a LOT of unemployable people. Yang's encouragement toward Civic work, is both rational and moral. If Humanity is able to jump this coming societal hurdle, it will be through a synthesis of now competing polar Economic/Moral Paradigms. The Fermi Paradox/"Great Filter" remains indifferent; the effect therein is not. The coming years will be a fascinating and pivotal scenario
Agreed. Again, I’m not advocating for his stances, but they’re somewhat sensible and not just aimed at a money grab or wealth transfer. One thing that people ignore when he says UBi and 1k a month... rich people get that 1k too. Now they may be getting taxed at a higher rate as well but it’s an even distribution.
I pay well over $1k a month in taxes between fed, SS and Medicare. They can make that $1800 a month and give me $1k back and 1k for my stay at home mother wife and I’d come out ahead on the year.
Again... NOT voting for him, just showing that it’s more rational than his opponents.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 8:53 am to OMLandshark
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I’m starting to come to the conclusion that Andrew Yang is Trump’s most dangerous opponent
Maybe, and it’s only because people are easily fooled. Hes really just giving socialism fake tits, nails and makeup. Not once have I heard how he plans to account for the rapid inflation that will ensue upon his implementation of the nonsense he’s peddling.
90% of the jobs from 100 years ago don’t exist today, there will always be new jobs no matter the technology, we just have become too lazy to start inventing them
Posted on 6/19/19 at 8:57 am to OMLandshark
Trump won because he was able to appeal to rust belt older citizens who were seeing their livelihoods move away / shut down. "MAGA" meant putting them back to work and back to a lifestyle they were used to, and not having to adapt to a new reality.
US is doing really well right now, but we haven't really "fixed" that issue. Reality is, the plants aren't coming back, and these people ARE going to have to adjust to a new normal.
I think Yang speaks to the same people. Of course, he has a much different solution. But I think Yang recognizes that these people are the key to winning, and if he tells them, look, you aren't getting your old jobs back, and you don't have to worry about learning something new if you elect me, it's going to speak to some of these people. I don't think it will be enough for Yang to win, but it might be enough for Yang to get the nomination.
The current candidate pool for the Dems seems to break into three groups:
1) The "identity" group, the ones pushing most for reparations, LGBTQ issues, women's issues, open borders, etc
2) The "socialism" group
3) The "Clinton style self-enrichment" group, who is more moderate than the other two, but completely in it for themselves (hello Joe B)
Given current Democrat voters, I think the 2nd group is the one most likely to provide the nominee, and I think Yang is the least crazy of that group.
US is doing really well right now, but we haven't really "fixed" that issue. Reality is, the plants aren't coming back, and these people ARE going to have to adjust to a new normal.
I think Yang speaks to the same people. Of course, he has a much different solution. But I think Yang recognizes that these people are the key to winning, and if he tells them, look, you aren't getting your old jobs back, and you don't have to worry about learning something new if you elect me, it's going to speak to some of these people. I don't think it will be enough for Yang to win, but it might be enough for Yang to get the nomination.
The current candidate pool for the Dems seems to break into three groups:
1) The "identity" group, the ones pushing most for reparations, LGBTQ issues, women's issues, open borders, etc
2) The "socialism" group
3) The "Clinton style self-enrichment" group, who is more moderate than the other two, but completely in it for themselves (hello Joe B)
Given current Democrat voters, I think the 2nd group is the one most likely to provide the nominee, and I think Yang is the least crazy of that group.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 9:21 am to AbuTheMonkey
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I like him even if I don’t agree with a decent amount of what he says, but he is way too wonky to get the nomination, much less elected. That isn’t the type of person that gets elected President.
This time 4 years ago Trump said that he didn’t think McCain was a war hero and he prefers soldiers that don’t get captured. He also called a bunch of Mexicans rapists. I didn’t think that was a type of person that gets elected President.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 9:24 am to TeLeFaWx
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Will he challenge Trump? No because the Democrats are so fundamentally different than what he's about they'll never let him make head way. He'll be suppressed shortly, and that's a shame. I really wish he'd join the Trump Administration and help craft legislation focusing on the issues he cares about. I think he'd do a great job.
Yeah, regardless if he gets the nomination or not, I want him in government. I’d love for New York to kick Gillibrand to the curb and make him their next Senator.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 9:26 am to Dale51
Yang is an idiot and his policies don’t make a damn bit of sense but he’s tapped into the poor while male crowd
Posted on 6/19/19 at 9:26 am to OMLandshark
Lol Yang Gang. Definitely would pull in the younger crowd.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 9:27 am to OMLandshark
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Trump said that he didn’t think McCain was a war hero and he prefers soldiers that don’t get captured. He also called a bunch of Mexicans rapists. I didn’t think that was a type of person that gets elected President.
Of course cause you are a weak person and definitely fit the mold of a yang supporter
Posted on 6/19/19 at 9:28 am to Muthsera
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Link?
I hadn't noticed the infrastructure investments at a federal or state level, let alone a municipal level, that would allow anything remotely like this to happen.
There isn't a single electric charging station in my town of 60,000 people, but you think all trucking jobs will be filled by autonomous drivers in 10 years? No fricking way.
The technology exists, they are just doing tons of quality control so they don’t get sued into an oblivion. At best what will happen is they will cut the truck drivers salaries in half for them to just sit in the truck as it drives itself and refuel it when it needs such. Gas pumpers will be back though, that’s for sure.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 9:29 am to OMLandshark
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Lately? Almost every trucking job will be gone in 10-15 years. Who cares about lately? This is a certainty in the future.
You double-down on stupid shite you say too frequently. Your crystal ball is as broken as AOC's.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 9:31 am to Adam Banks
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Jjdoc owned you in this thread
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