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re: I’m not a fan of federal agents trying to step in and crack down in these cities
Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:03 pm to DavidTheGnome
Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:03 pm to DavidTheGnome
I have zero sympathy for the people of Portland. They voted for these people. They put these lunatics in power.
Let them burn it down and take their medicine
Let them burn it down and take their medicine
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Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:03 pm to Bestbank
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Let’s see if you feel that way next time the party you oppose is in the White House
If the party was one that instituted order and secruity, I would support it.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:04 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Like I said I am an advocate of small government. Period.
Individual citizenry is the smallest and most important unit of governance.
They pay taxes to support emergency services.
They are being denied their rights and privileges under law by mayors allowing them to be beaten and placed in the path of violent communist mobs.
Shove your small government up your arse if you cannot understand the issue here.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:04 pm to Gatorbait2008
antifa is a creation of the Democrat Party that should be shut down simultaneously
Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:05 pm to OleWar
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If the party was one that instituted order and secruity, I would support i
Order & security, yeah those aren’t ambiguous terms that can’t be used to justify all types of bad behavior
Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:06 pm to Bestbank
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how can it be argued that the federal government is approaching this in a matter consistent with the Freedoms & rights citizens of the US are entitled to.
How can it not?
I’m a citizen, just a you. I own businesses, maybe you do as well. If local or state governments refuse to protect my livelihood, then my life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness is jeopardized.
In this instance, we have a group of domestic terrorists destroying cities, businesses and lives.
If the federal government can not act in this situation, when can they?
Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:07 pm to DavidTheGnome
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I’m not a fan of federal agents trying to step in and crack down in these cities
Do you realize they have been in the country, every state for decades? This isn't new. Enforcing the law has always been their job??? Outrage because trump said it?
This post was edited on 7/23/20 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:09 pm to Bestbank
No more ambiguous than justice and liberty, which are also used to justify all types of bad behavior.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:11 pm to DavidTheGnome
What do you do if night after night there are protests and violence but for political expediency the mayors and governors refuse to stop it? And life and certainly property is destroyed? Who decides if it’s ok to try to remedy this. What’s the oath these politicians take? To uphold and defend the constitution?
Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:11 pm to ShortyRob
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To repeat
I HIGHLY DOUBT your stated Position will hold up under scrutiny. Local authorities can't basically turn loose violence mobs that they basically agree with and leave the rest of their citizens to face the mob. Even worse. Threaten the people being targeted by the mob with legal action if they do anything
I highly doubt that if we tested your stated principle using other scenarios that it would hold up
My stated principle being that I’m a proponent of a small federal government? That I have reservations about federal intervention to "protect" us? Because that’s what I’m arguing here and it’s sad but expected the extremely high percentage of downvotes of the OP from a board just absolutely chock full of "small government conservatives".
Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:12 pm to DavidTheGnome
Let’s get Lucas P to chime in.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:13 pm to DavidTheGnome
As long as it’s the other side on the business end it’s all good, amirite?
Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:14 pm to DavidTheGnome
At some point, you’re going to have to let your balls drop.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:15 pm to DavidTheGnome
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That I have reservations about federal intervention to "protect" us?
You have no such reservations about a municipal government allowing a violent mob to terrorize law abiding citizens, assault them, and destroy property?
Your positions are inconsistent.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:17 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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If the federal government can not act in this situation, when can they?
You misunderstood my post. Even assuming they are allowed to act in this situation, they are NOT acting as a law enforcement office should when dealing with United States citizens.
Forget state v federal, This enforcement action seems to be violating individual rights
Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:17 pm to DavidTheGnome
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I’m for small government, period.
Agreed, but if the Feds are to enforce anything it's the US constitution, right?
Pretty having my business burnt down inhibits my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Sure it should be up to the local government to handle, but if they don't then what? Am I just out of luck?
This post was edited on 7/23/20 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:18 pm to Samso
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e zero sympathy for the people of Portland. They voted for these people. They put these lunatics in power.
Let them burn it down and take their medicine
It’s a better Long term option than having federal government grab people into vans.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:18 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Because that’s what I’m arguing here and it’s sad but expected the extremely high percentage of downvotes of the OP from a board just absolutely chock full of "small government conservatives".
Government is explicitly tasked with very few things. Providing safety through regulating criminal behavior is one of them.
When the mob was busy trying to run the country, the Feds came in and provided law enforcement support to communities that were unable or unwilling to attack the rampant criminality.
If roving bands of whites were attacking minorities in rural Alabama and the small-town government didn’t protect their rights, would you be bothered by the feds interjecting themselves? I wager you would not.
In other words, your problem isn’t with the action. It’s with where your loyalty lies.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:19 pm to OleWar
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by OleWar
No more ambiguous than justice and liberty, which are also used to justify all types of bad behavior
So you think 2 wrong make a right?
Posted on 7/23/20 at 11:19 pm to Bestbank
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This enforcement action seems to be violating individual rights
How so? They are guarding buildings and responding to the acts against them.
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