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re: I'm interested in the opinions of fellow conservatives on the Chauvin jury findings
Posted on 4/21/21 at 2:17 pm to Tigerpride18
Posted on 4/21/21 at 2:17 pm to Tigerpride18
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Look,this story isnt one,imo,that needs to be nitpicked to death. All of the racism , addiction ,past behavior,and criminal record shite, is useful in trial ,I get that.
I know it's all about right wing,left wing,black and white,and good cop, bad cop, in our society today.
Just take all of that shite away ,imagine we are all the same and their is no black or white and their are no addicts. Just think about humanity in general.
The cop treated his fellow man in a way that isnt what his job and fellow man hired him to do.
If you just imagine it was a friend of yours ,then I'd think most of you would realize that it just wasnt right and he deserves to be in prison for treating a fellow human in that way
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Posted on 4/21/21 at 2:43 pm to L.A.
I have no problem with the jury's decision. They heard the evidence and I trust they made the right call.
George Floyd, by all accounts was a POS headed for an early grave because of his lifestyle. Probably the only good to come out of his life was exposing Derrick Chauvin as an equal if not bigger POS and getting him removed from a position of power.
I will say I do not understand Minnesota's judicial system of casting a wide net on charges ranging from 2nd degree murder, 3rd degree murder to manslaughter. All for a single crime. Seems like double jeopardy to me but maybe it's like that everywhere.
George Floyd, by all accounts was a POS headed for an early grave because of his lifestyle. Probably the only good to come out of his life was exposing Derrick Chauvin as an equal if not bigger POS and getting him removed from a position of power.
I will say I do not understand Minnesota's judicial system of casting a wide net on charges ranging from 2nd degree murder, 3rd degree murder to manslaughter. All for a single crime. Seems like double jeopardy to me but maybe it's like that everywhere.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 2:59 pm to L.A.
Neither of the men did the right thing.
One paid with his life and one paid with the rest of his life. They both made decisions that affected the outcome.
Life should go on because humans will do this type of thing over and over until the end of time. But suddenly we ALL want to burn the world down for 2 assholes while our government uses it to steal more power and freedoms from ALL of us. Why?
One paid with his life and one paid with the rest of his life. They both made decisions that affected the outcome.
Life should go on because humans will do this type of thing over and over until the end of time. But suddenly we ALL want to burn the world down for 2 assholes while our government uses it to steal more power and freedoms from ALL of us. Why?
This post was edited on 4/21/21 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 4/21/21 at 3:03 pm to L.A.
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Any other conservatives think Chauvin was properly charged and convicted on 2nd degree manslaughter, or do you agree with my relative?
With the caveat that I haven't analyzed the video frame by frame nor do I know what's considered standard practice for subduing an a-hole, I lean towards your relatives for this reason:
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the person creates an unreasonable risk,
I don't think Chauvin created that risk, the drug dealer did.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 3:18 pm to L.A.
He should have been found not guilty of all charges.
Creates unreasonable risk...
Who initiated the confrontation by breaking the law? George
Who fought the cops when they put him in the back of the car? George
Who repeatedly asked to be put on the ground? George
Who ingested copious amounts of dangerous drugs? George
Who created a hostile environment so that it took longer than necessary for the arrest? The crowd yelling threats at the cops
Who created the procedure to not call EMTs until the scene is secure? The PD
Who trained Chauvin to use the knee on the back restraint? The PD
All the risk was created by others. This was nothing but a political railroading.
The trial should have been moved. The jurors should have been sequestered. It should have been a mistrial the second the msm threatened to dox the jurors and again when a sitting democrat congresscunt threatened violence if he wasn't found guilty. The city also admitted guilt before the trial by paying the criminal's family, and the resident potato in the white house did the same when he called before the verdict to hope for a conviction.
Chauvin's actions do not fit the charge, and it was not a fair trial.
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by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another
Creates unreasonable risk...
Who initiated the confrontation by breaking the law? George
Who fought the cops when they put him in the back of the car? George
Who repeatedly asked to be put on the ground? George
Who ingested copious amounts of dangerous drugs? George
Who created a hostile environment so that it took longer than necessary for the arrest? The crowd yelling threats at the cops
Who created the procedure to not call EMTs until the scene is secure? The PD
Who trained Chauvin to use the knee on the back restraint? The PD
All the risk was created by others. This was nothing but a political railroading.
The trial should have been moved. The jurors should have been sequestered. It should have been a mistrial the second the msm threatened to dox the jurors and again when a sitting democrat congresscunt threatened violence if he wasn't found guilty. The city also admitted guilt before the trial by paying the criminal's family, and the resident potato in the white house did the same when he called before the verdict to hope for a conviction.
Chauvin's actions do not fit the charge, and it was not a fair trial.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 3:22 pm to Tigerpride18
I think that's the strongest case for conviction - once's he's handcuffed does not seem like there is a reason for him to continue to stay on top of him.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 3:42 pm to Tigerpride18
How much weight was on the drug addict criminals back?
Posted on 4/21/21 at 6:03 pm to the808bass
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Survivable is an interesting word. His fentanyl blood levels were higher than the average fentanyl overdose death.
you are incorrectly quoting the stats, the defense did a great job obfuscating facts here. you are citing that GF blood level was higher than the lowest level (~3ng/ml i think i recall) the ME had seen in any all-cause deaths where fentanyl was measured. that death may have been a cancer or shooting death not an overdose fatality
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Mean level of blood fentanyl amongst all reported deaths was 0.024 µg/mL.
Deaths reported due to mixed drug toxicity had the highest mean fentanyl concentration at 0.034 µg/mL
fentanyl intoxication and fentanyl plus ethanol toxicity with 0.017µg/mL
LINK
11 nanograms/ml converts to .011 micrograms/ml which is significantly lower than any of those mean concentrations, .024, .034, and .017 micrograms/ml.
~9.6ng/ml was the non-fatal avg for folks his size getting arrested for DUI. Yes his level was very survivable. Floyd's drug levels were much closer to take an uber than arrange a funeral.
This post was edited on 4/21/21 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 4/27/21 at 4:42 pm to AMS
This is a pretty far stretch to attempt to lay blame. Read your shite again. Maybe this time you'll hear how stupid it sounded.......his meth levels were very low.......compared to what? It's easy to see that no matter what , you will defend St. George like most liberal fools.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 4:49 pm to L.A.
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by keeping his knee on Floyd's neck for 9 minutes
I just choose to not have conversations with people if this is what they actually believe.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 4:51 pm to AMS
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9.6ng/ml was the non-fatal avg for folks his size getting arrested for DUI. Yes his level was very survivable. Floyd's drug levels were much closer to take an uber than arrange a funeral
Imagine if he had ubered instead of gotten behind the wheel intoxicated where he put the lives of innocent people in danger.
GF made a lot of poor decisions in his life that could cost people their lives. Good riddence
Posted on 4/27/21 at 4:56 pm to L.A.
I think the defense showed reasonable doubt. It’s still quite possible Chauvin killed Floyd, but I think there’s a considerable chance Floyd would have been dead by the end of the day anyway. I can see being convicted of 2nd degree manslaughter, but with the argument the defense presented the murder charges are ridiculous.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 4:59 pm to L.A.
the question you have to ask yourself is:
Did chauvin commit Assault III when he kneeled too long?
609.223 ASSAULT IN THE THIRD DEGREE.
Subdivision 1.Substantial bodily harm. Whoever assaults another and inflicts substantial bodily harm may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than five years or to payment of a fine of not more than $10,000, or both.
if yes, then Chauvin automatically committed murder 2 per Minnesota statute because its an autocharge when someone dies during comission of a felony.
once I learned that, I took less issue with the murder 2 convinction
Did chauvin commit Assault III when he kneeled too long?
609.223 ASSAULT IN THE THIRD DEGREE.
Subdivision 1.Substantial bodily harm. Whoever assaults another and inflicts substantial bodily harm may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than five years or to payment of a fine of not more than $10,000, or both.
if yes, then Chauvin automatically committed murder 2 per Minnesota statute because its an autocharge when someone dies during comission of a felony.
once I learned that, I took less issue with the murder 2 convinction
Posted on 4/27/21 at 5:04 pm to L.A.
2nd degree manslaughter at the most. anything else is complete travesty - an exercise in hate-prompted revenge and showing off the new-found power to exercise their will on demand.
This was a non-event for nationwide consumption. had it been a white thug who met his demise this way, it would not have even merited a mention in a local newspaper. Instead, the DEM cabal needed SOMETHING - ANYTHING to rile up the masses and they jumped on the first available incident to unleash their mobs.
we are over the edge as a country.
This was a non-event for nationwide consumption. had it been a white thug who met his demise this way, it would not have even merited a mention in a local newspaper. Instead, the DEM cabal needed SOMETHING - ANYTHING to rile up the masses and they jumped on the first available incident to unleash their mobs.
we are over the edge as a country.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 5:07 pm to Tiguar
what was the assault? did Chauvin 'assault' anyone??
this is all bullshite.
but yes - our system of malleable laws is so intertwined that you can build whatever narrative you want if you are willing to suspend reality.
this is all bullshite.
but yes - our system of malleable laws is so intertwined that you can build whatever narrative you want if you are willing to suspend reality.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 5:07 pm to L.A.
Until you can scientifically prove how many PSI was on his back by the second that is reasonable doubt.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 5:09 pm to roadGator
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Until you can scientifically prove how many PSI was on his back by the second that is reasonable doubt.
you truly believe this don't you?
Posted on 4/27/21 at 5:18 pm to AMS
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Posted on 4/27/21 at 5:27 pm to ChineseBandit58
Chauvin assaulted Floyd if he at any time caused substantial bodily injury outside of what was called justified by his department protocol.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 5:33 pm to Tiguar
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Chauvin assaulted Floyd if he at any time caused substantial bodily injury outside of what was called justified by his department protocol.
at least 3 superiors in his own department testified DC's actions were not justifiable within department protocol.
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