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re: I'm a conflicted conservative - I'm pro gun but want more gun control
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:32 am to TDsngumbo
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:32 am to TDsngumbo
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I'm pro gun but want more gun control
You might as well say you can’t image not standing up to piss, but you are thinking about chopping off your junk.
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:33 am to atom1505
quote:Legislation does nothing to address the human condition at all. It only tries to address certain actions performed by evil people to provide judicial retribution in case those evil people act evilly. Every new law is a restriction of freedom, so the only way to sufficiently curb evil behavior is by removing so much liberty that an evil person has difficulty in acting at all. This also limits the ability of good people from acting in ways they wish, even if they have no evil intentions.
I disagree that the issue is as simple as you describe, but it's a fair thought. I agree that you cannot legislate morality, but history has repeatedly shown that certain types of legislation have been effective in curbing the effect of the sometimes evil part of the human condition.
quote:We need to go back to our roots and acknowledge a God that created us in His image with intrinsic value which accounts for the inalienable rights that we possess. Without this type of worldview, there is no objectively "good" reason why anyone should be "good". "Good" and "law-abiding" are not necessarily the same thing, and legislation would be the only standard of goodness that a secular government can provide. Considering people disagree on legislation and that legislation changes from day to day, it's just not a good standard at all.
What's your opinion on the most effective way to remind people why we've got reasons to be good? I would say that it should be enough to say "do right by your fellow man," but as you said, I think the natural response to that is "says who?"
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:40 am to Maytheporkbewithyou
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I hunt with a Weatherby .257. You get a lot of bang for your buck
I'm thinking of getting one for a hunting trip I'm planning on taking next year to Colorado for Elk.....excellent eating
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My next rifle will be a .308 though.
Highly recommend.....at 250-300 yards it's near perfect beyond 400 though, better be good shot but you don't have to be great.
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Any of my handguns would make a better gun for home protection and there's also no better sound than chambering a round in a shotgun. That sound is universal for get back mofo
We agree on this and the sound of the 12 gauge being discharged sends a message.
I just don't like the AR 15 and won't spend money on one and have never considered buying one because I don't see the practical utility.....plus, a lot of the people who have them and claim to know how to use them don't really know how to use them and I've fired hem all , AK's, Bushmasters, Uzis, etc.. Will say though as a killing machine, the AK is without equal...but like I said, I am not a fan of the semi automatic assault type rifle.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:41 am to TDsngumbo
quote:No, it just puts you shoulder-to-shoulder with people like Ronald Reagan. Was he conservative?
I'm a conflicted conservative - I'm pro gun but want more gun control
Does that make me less of a conservative?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:41 am to atom1505
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Things in this country are not as absolute as you may wish them to be.
Which in itself is part of the problem. If we could get the leftists off the gun control/ gun banning mantra, and get them to understand that the Constitution means exactly what it says, that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, then maybe we could move on to actually trying to find a way to prevent these tragedies.
Instead of fighting over whether people have the rights they have, or whether a particular weapon should be banned, or whether another law for criminals to ignore will help the situation, we could be discussing ways to actually protect our kids, the same way we protect our politicians, and our treasure, and sensitive information and facilities, and our homes and families. WITH GUNS.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:49 am to FooManChoo
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Legislation does nothing to address the human condition at all. It only tries to address certain actions performed by evil people to provide judicial retribution in case those evil people act evilly. Every new law is a restriction of freedom, so the only way to sufficiently curb evil behavior is by removing so much liberty that an evil person has difficulty in acting at all. This also limits the ability of good people from acting in ways th
Respectfully, it absolutely does, and has all throughout history. While criminal laws and subsequent punishments do not totally eliminate evil/criminal behavior outright, they absolutely act as a deterrent. In other words, just because criminals exist does not mean that criminal law and punishment does not work. This is just one example of legislation effectively dealing with the not-so-great parts of human nature.
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We need to go back to our roots and acknowledge a God that created us in His image with intrinsic value which accounts for the inalienable rights that we possess. Without this type of worldview, there is no objectively "good" reason why anyone should be "good". "Good" and "law-abiding" are not necessarily the same thing, and legislation would be the only standard of goodness that a secular government can provide. Considering people disagree on legislation and that legislation changes from day to day, it's just not a good standard at all.
Fair enough.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:37 am to Taxing Authority
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Get back to me when we “win” and our troops come home.
W could win there tomorrow if we really wanted to. TBH I don't know why we are still there, we've decimated al Qaeda there and have killed off quite a bit of the Taliban. We could have been back in the US by 2007 if we really wanted to....but that is another subject
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:11 pm to Big Scrub TX
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No, it just puts you shoulder-to-shoulder with people like Ronald Reagan. Was he conservative?
In today's environment Ronald Reagan would be a cuck!
Posted on 2/15/18 at 12:35 pm to Taxing Authority
Not true. Control the air and the sea and you control all...particularly when you can launch attacks from the air and sea like the US can do.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:14 pm to atom1505
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Unless that firepower flies in the sky and has nuclear weapons.
Every hour a tactical jet flies requires 10 hours of maintenance on the ground, they don't fly without fuel, all fuel supplies are on the ground, things on the ground can be destroyed by small groups of highly motivated people. The Mujahideen wrecked havoc on the Soviets in Afghanistan using guerilla tactics, horses, small arms, and improvised explosives.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:24 pm to hawkeye007
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so you want our kids to grow up in a society where they go to school with armed teachers and armed guards at the doors?
I sure do. It doesn't have to look like the image you'd like to create. Do you want our lids to grow up in a society where they see multiple instances of dozens of kids just like them being slaughtered, but that same society doesn't deem them important enough to protect like everything else we consider precious?
The rest sounds just fine, as long as you aren't fooling yourself, or anyone else into thinking it is any kind of solution, or would protect a single kid the next time this happens.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:27 pm to blowmeauburn
That’s good bruh and I respect your opinion but there’s more mentally ill born children everyday that unfortunately are not getting treated correctly or at all and no magic wand that will suddenly fix all this. There’s more guns made everyday and I’m not saying guns are the problem. But that only means there will be more shootings in the future because nothing is changing.
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