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Posted on 2/22/19 at 2:45 pm to Gnar Cat21
Takes a lot of effort to out Nazi a liberal.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 2:48 pm to SSpaniel
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Planned Parenthood Announces Multi-Million Dollar Plan to Protect and Expand Abortion Access In Face of Hostile Supreme Court
So PP's plan is by pushing wacko lib states to pass some of the most grotesque, low public support and constitutionally questionable abortion/infanticide laws to ensure that they get before a 5-4, and possibly a 6-3 SCOTUS to get them to again seriously re-evaluate the logic of Roe?
Posted on 2/22/19 at 3:24 pm to CaptSpaulding
quote:dude, generally speaking, i dont have enough respect for anyone on this board to play semantic games. I can explain and defend everything I believe in, and I TRULY do not give a frick if that offends anyone.
You know goddamn well what it means.
If I knew what "Eliminate all restrictions on where abortions are performed" and "allows non-physicians to perform surgical and medical abortions" meant, I wouldn't say I didnt. I assume it doesnt allow for a waitress with some tongs in a truckstop to go wrist deep, but abortion is far too serious of a topic to not have very specific definitions every step of the way.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 3:45 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Why was this a restriction in the first place? Do you really need to be in a hospital to have this done? The answer of course is NO. I can have a baby at home in the bed with a freaking midwife if I want to. This is an obvious attempt to restrict.
Requiring that medical or surgical procedures be performed by qualified professionals at an appropriate facility is not an “obvious attempt to restrict”.
Giving birth is not the same thing as getting an abortion. There are risks and a clear interest in having them performed according to the standards of invasive surgically procedures
Posted on 2/22/19 at 4:00 pm to Indefatigable
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Requiring that medical or surgical procedures be performed by qualified professionals at an appropriate facility is not an “obvious attempt to restrict”.
Yes it is. The vast majority of rural America doesn't have facilities that meets that criteria. We aren't talking about brain surgery. I'm not an abortion fan, but it's obvious requiring a hospital and physicians with admission privileges is an attempt to restrict. It's not necessary for this procedure.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 4:36 pm to ProjectP2294
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How has this all of a sudden become such a big push by the states?
It really came out of nowhere
Posted on 2/22/19 at 4:38 pm to Dawgirl
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law also allows non-physicians to perform surgical and medical abortions.
What the frick
Posted on 2/22/19 at 4:39 pm to Dawgirl
No No No
This isn't what you think it is
blah blah blah
I'm a "Libertarian"!
small government
blah blah blah
Am I doing it right?
This isn't what you think it is
blah blah blah
I'm a "Libertarian"!
small government
blah blah blah
Am I doing it right?
Posted on 2/22/19 at 4:42 pm to Dawgirl
Libtards are going to keep pushing the envelope until someone stands up to them. They sense RBG's end is near so they will shoot for the stars and settle for the moon.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 5:17 pm to Indefatigable
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Requiring that medical or surgical procedures be performed by qualified professionals at an appropriate facility is not an “obvious attempt to restrict”.
Giving birth is not the same thing as getting an abortion. There are risks and a clear interest in having them performed according to the standards of invasive surgically procedures.
To preface what I'm about to say, I am pro-choice with several stipulations, but I would never support anyone that proposes a law that allows for postviability abortions up until the day of expected labor for any reason other than protecting the health of the mother or loss of fetal viability. Abortion is a far more complex issue than the absolutists on either side that believe a blastocyst has the same rights as a 3 year old toddler or that killing a baby 1 day before it's due because mom didn't properly think it through isn't morally fricking reprehensible.
So, to address your post, I hope you weren't implying that abortion has equivalent health care outcomes for the mother as giving birth. It doesn't, abortions are actually FAR safer than giving birth, and while they should require the care of a qualified professional, the admitting privileges law is a fricking joke and absolutely IS intended to restrict access.
This post was edited on 2/22/19 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 2/22/19 at 5:27 pm to BugAC
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Can someone tell me what the goal of this is
Seems to me that there is no agenda other than to be more liberal than the prior standard...Illinois basically telling VT "hold my beer"
Posted on 2/22/19 at 5:34 pm to KCT
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By now, there's no way that this rash of insane abortion laws being passed by the various states can be a random coincidence. Planned Parenthood is behind this, and it's obvious that this is one of the top items on their agenda.
Are they doing all this NOW because they're afraid that one more conservative justice might be enough to overturn Roe V. Wade? Wouldn't a Supreme Court ruling supersede a legislative enactment from a state?
Perhaps they want to force a challenge NOW, so that a Supreme Court which still includes Ruth Bader Ginsburg could rule on it?
Clearly it's not a coincidence. Liberals are definitely worried about the current and future make up of the court. The next abortion case in line for the USSC is the Louisiana case wherein the 5th Circuit ruled "in favor" of upholding the proposed LA law re: doctors having to have admitting privileges to perform abortions. While that proposed law arguably wouldn't make abortions illegal in LA, it could, in a practical sense, make them very tough to obtain
That case would likely be heard in October and liberals are terrified the USSC, as currently comprised, could chip away at abortion rights. They may very well be trying to get another case to the USSC before the LA case is heard, or more likely, strengthen abortions laws in their states in a preemptive measure before Trump gets to appoint a 3rd justice. RGB make make it to 2020, but it's hard to think she'll make it though a second Trump term if he's re-elected
There's also, I'm sure, concern that with a R controlled senate, IF Trump gets a chance to appoint another justice THIS term, he's going to go super conservative knowing the D's may have shot their wad with the Kavanaugh spectacle
Posted on 2/22/19 at 8:36 pm to nematocyte
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abortions are actually FAR safer than giving birth,
WTF? Did I misread your post?
Posted on 2/22/19 at 8:44 pm to BugAC
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Can someone tell me what the goal of this is?
Exterminate black kids.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 8:44 pm to LSUconvert
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Codify common sense.
Infanticide is “common sense” to you? Go to hell you worthless piece of dogshit.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 8:51 pm to BugAC
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Can someone tell me what the goal of this is?
There are probably too many black people in this country for the racist Dem party. They are going back to their old tricks for controlling the undesirable population.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 8:56 pm to Dawgirl
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WTF? Did I misread your post?
Assuming you correctly inferred that I'm talking about the health of the mother, and that you didn't intentionally quote mine me, delivery and post-delivery (within a week of delivery) results in substantially more complications than an abortion. And in case I didn't say it before, it isn't even close.
This post was edited on 2/22/19 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 2/22/19 at 9:12 pm to Dawgirl
I’ve never seen a group of people take such glee in finding more and more ways to kill babies. There is no way 50% of our population can condone this. If so, we are absolutely doomed as people.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 9:13 pm to Dawgirl
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Illinois seeks to pass most RADICAL abortion bill in the country
They should pass more laws about faking hate crimes
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