re: If you think black people are too stupid to get an ID

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Black people can get IDs just fine.

It’s a bit more challenging for people with outstanding warrants.

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I'm going to start using this. Thanks.

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with that understanding, can we also acknowledge that the largest portion of opposition to Voter ID arises not from the ridiculous non-argument found in the OP, but rather from the disparate impact of such a program?

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No, that's not the way Democrats present it.

If we've heard it one time, we've heard it 5,000 times in the past 3 months - voter ID is racist. Period. Full stop.

Democrat leaders and the race-baiting hucksters repeatedly say so.

Democrats are not talking much about the elderly, or the handicapped. They present it as Jim Eagle, don't you know.

Your argument is a straw man, Hankster.

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The simple, objective fact is that extraordinarily poor people tend to be far less-likely to hold a valid, current government-issued ID than people in higher socio-economic strata. Without attempting to make any sort of argument about the reasons, the simple objective fact is that Blacks are greatly over represented in those lower socio-economic strata, with the result being that proportionately-more blacks will have difficulty voting if such a program were implemented on a broad scale.

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Even if this is true, it's a bridge too far. Allowing pathways to fraud disenfranchises voters as well. Have security and lower barriers for legal citizens to obtain the credentials. Sorry, not sorry that some people may have difficulty getting an id. In general, I don't like government programs but I would fully support a program to help legal voters get an ID to vote (and transportation for that matter). Access to voting is not as important as maintaining the integrity of elections.

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So is the marketing on the other side. I do not believe for one second that “election integrity” is the motivating factor on the Right. So long as a given procedure keeps them in office, neither the Left nor the Right is going to be lining up to dismantle that procedure.

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Old me would be offended that you said this. I just suggested that election integrity is THE ISSUE -- and in an ideal world it is. If there is one side who is using this to slant things it's the Democrats. They just did it and 'won' the Presidency.

I will say it again: If Democrats want 'unity' then they have to address voter integrity -- an issue that half of Americans have a problem with. Their decision to vilify those of us who have this issue just speaks to their lustful desire for power and their deceitful calls for unity. Their cry of "Let's unify, racist" is bullshite.

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No it’s not. They’re totally different things. They absolutely do not check your criminal history for warrants when you get a DL or state ID.

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I'm guessing that in most states that if you have a warrant because you didn't pay or show up to court for a moving violation, you cannot get a DL.


However, ANYONE who has the proper documentation (e.g., birth certificate, etc.) can get a state-issued I.D., and, if you are on public assistance you can typically get it for FREE.

Racist Dims have made the absurd argument that it is "harder" for blacks to obtain the proper documentation. This is just plain racist. Ask anyone who went through Katrina what it's like to get reissued copies of the legal documents they lost in the floods. It's a PAIN IN THE A$$. But, it's a pain in the A$$ for everyone.

But, and most importantly, in this day and age of identity theft, it SHOULD be difficult. And, the difficulty has NO RACIAL BIAS.

If Dims really believed the garbage they spew (THEY DON'T), they would actually be out there trying to help these blacks (that Dims believe are beyond f*cking ignorant) get copies of the required documentation so that they can get a valid DL or state-issue I.D.

But, this is all complete BULLSH!T and F*CKING LIES spewed by the Dims. ANYONE who want a state-issued I.D. card ALREADY HAS ONE. And they KNOW that Voter I.D. laws aren't about making it hard for blacks to votes -- they're about making it hard for Dims to engage in MASSIVE F*CKING VOTER FRAUD.


I've seen a Louisiana state-issued I.D. that wasn't a driver's license. Much like a learner's permit, it looks just like a DL except it is done in portrait mode rather than landscape mode.

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In most cases, it is not that black people do not want to get an ID, but they find it hard to convince authorities to provide them with one, especially when those authorities are affiliated to a party that blacks do not typically vote for. It is all about voter suppression.

This is hilarious. When you go to get a DL or whatever, most of the clerks that you will talk to, will be Black people.

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Not very many Conservative Republican Whites rely upon the State for employment. It's not a conservative value to rely on the State.

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Nah, liberals fundamentally believe that black people are inferior. Can't get voter ID. Can't get into college. Can't be held to the same criminal standards, etc.

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Don't forget standardized testing as well.

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Not very many Conservative Republican Whites rely upon the State for employment. It's not a conservative value to rely on the State.

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The state of Alabama is a huge employer. Most of them are pretty conservative.

Left: You are a racist poopyhead!

Right: No, YOU are a racist poopyhead!

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In most cases, it is not that black people do not want to get an ID, but they find it hard to convince authorities to provide them with one, especially when those authorities are affiliated to a party that blacks do not typically vote for.

It is all about voter suppression.

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I can’t recall the last time I saw a white person in the office when I was getting my license renewed. What are all those black people doing? In fact, it’s always mostly black people in any government office (in front of and behind the counter).