re: if you carry a gun.....

Who's celebrating. Simple statements of fact obviously trigger effeminate liberals.

He is dead and his actions were indicative of a communist.

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Again. I asked the other day if MAGA would turn their backs on the second amendment. It doesn't take much imagination to see that could happen. And here we are

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1. That’s not happening in the least.

2. What is happening however is the left is experiencing a very real example of what 2A deniers say will never happen, the need for armed resistance against your government.

You tripped right over real irony searching in the dark for imagined irony. Congrats!

I don't know the exact CCL laws in Minnesota but in Louisiana if you engage with law enforcement in any situation the first thing you're required to do is inform them you have a CCL and are carrying or not carrying at the moment. If they find out on their own, like running your credentials or plates.... you're cooked! The first thing they covered in my CCL class.

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oh we do

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Apparently you don’t. Murder is criminal. A use of deadly force by law enforcement with someone who is non-compliant and armed is not and never will be considered murder. Whether you would have done the same or whether you think it’s right are irrelevant. It still doesn’t equate to murder. I wouldn’t have stood in front of Good’s vehicle. It doesn’t mean the agent is guilty of murder because he chose to. Don’t obstruct justice in any way. But if you do it while in possession or a deadly object like a vehicle or firearm then good luck to you.

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As a responsible gun owner, I have to the power to avoid putting myself in this situation

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So did Kyle Rittenhouse.

Yeah, you heard me.

The left tried the same thing in that case, "He never should have been there...he went looking for trouble and he found it, so it was his fault."

That was bullshite then and it's bullshite now.

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The left tried the same thing in that case, "He never should have been there...he went looking for trouble and he found it, so it was his fault."

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The difference between Kyle and this bozo is stark.

Kyle, was pursued by felons while open-carrying. He was trying to avoid confrontation as evidenced by him running away from aggressors. It was only when forced that he shot. He showed great restraint in his shooting. The pursuers did not. They went out of their way to take a round to the head, heart, and bicep.

The Pretti fellow was a retard that instigated a confrontation and escalated instead of deescalation. He did everything he could to be a part of the problem.

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don't disagree. But are we just going to use the text of the 2nd amendment as toilet paper now? Because it looks like that's exactly what we're doing.

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I think what Bessent said was retarded. I'll go on record with that right now. They're not doing themselves any favors by putting their opinions out when very clearly they're unfamiliar with the law and details and arguably the Constitution in this regard.

Pretti had the right to be armed. And he went farther by actually getting a concealed permit. It was good on him to do so. But he crossed a line and engaged in physical conflict with law enforcement, obstructing their efforts to perform their very legal and constitutional duties. Why anyone would choose to do that, especially while armed, is beyond my ability to comprehend.

I've carried concealed basically my whole life, and operate purely from a legal and logical standpoint when it comes to firearms. I've never allowed myself to be brainwashed to the point that I would go out with the explicit intent to obstruct the government by whatever means necessary. Especially when I take the time to research what actually is and isn't Constitutionally and lawfully permissible.

The government is an entity that I don't often align with (particularly politicians) but these ICE operators aren't some "Gestapo" goons out kidnapping and killing people. That is a false constrof the media narrative control apparatus and progressive politicians that are gaslighting and entire army of emotionally unstable and ignorant American voters.

I don't think we'd find ourselves in disagreement on this. Politicians on one side are talking out their asses when they should leave it to the professionals, and politicians on the other side are being deliberately disingenuous and seditious. None of them are helping things right now... almost as if it were intentional....

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I watched a video where they disarmed a guy then shot him in cold blood.

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1. Did the agent who shot him know for sure the firearm was removed from Pretti?

2. Did you or anyone else know there was no other firearm on his person since he was carrying two other magazines?

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That is murder

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So you truly don’t know what murder means. Interesting.

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These ICE agents are untrained wanna be cops who are not remotely ready to deal with any situation.

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Do you actually know anything about their training or are you just parroting the current popular talking point? Previously we’ve heard how untrained and incapable all other law enforcement agencies are. Now they’re all great and ICE is untrained. You don’t think many ICE agents are prior local law enforcement elsewhere? You don’t think that local law enforcement officers and ICE agents deal with the same types of people on a regular basis?

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Oh please. When did this guy ever get the chance to fight? They jumped him.

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He approached federal law enforcement, interfered in their lawful duty, interjecting himself into a situation that was being egged on my a female obstructing the officers, went for the firearm, and was shot.

Don’t let you willingly suspense of disbelief override reality.