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re: “If Tyre Nichols Had Complied He Would Still Be Alive….”
Posted on 1/28/23 at 11:38 pm to High Desert
Posted on 1/28/23 at 11:38 pm to High Desert
quote:
I used to be that guy. The guy who made excuses for cops. Dating all the way back to Rodney King, you'd have heard me say, "well, if you piss the cops off by running like that, don't be stunned when they beat your arse on arrival.
But what you said isn’t an excuse, it’s an observation. And it’s probably true more often than not. “If you run don’t be surprised if you catch a beating” is not the same thing as “if you run you deserve a beating”. It’s just acknowledging the reality of policing today.
I don’t think a normal person has ever said “if you run don’t be surprised if they beat you to death”, which is what happened here. But it’s just objectively true that 90% of the time your situation, legal or otherwise, isn’t going to be improved by running, especially when they have your car and can easily get your identity.
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Posted on 1/28/23 at 11:48 pm to Jake88
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cooperates during the initial encounter, is he dead today?
They didn’t seem to really care if he was.complying or not.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 11:59 pm to Toomer Deplorable
all of these events have 1 thing in common:
they didnt comply, and then continued doubling down.
frick them
they didnt comply, and then continued doubling down.
frick them
Posted on 1/29/23 at 12:01 am to Toomer Deplorable
quote:
If Tyre Nichols Had Complied He Would Still Be Alive
That's probably true.
The cops should also rot forever.
It can be both. Doesn't have to be one or the other.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 12:05 am to SG_Geaux
there is more to this story
this so called "scorpion" group, i think we'll find out more about them and it might get uglier.
this so called "scorpion" group, i think we'll find out more about them and it might get uglier.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 1:13 am to Toomer Deplorable
The rumor I heard today was that the guy was having an affair with one of the cops wives. I have absolutely nothing to back that up. Just inlaws that live in the area and they said that's what is going around.
Would be crazy if that's why all this went down like it did.
Would be crazy if that's why all this went down like it did.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:41 am to Flats
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But what you said isn’t an excuse, it’s an observation. And it’s probably true more often than not. “If you run don’t be surprised if you catch a beating” is not the same thing as “if you run you deserve a beating”. It’s just acknowledging the reality of policing today.
But saying it is giving the cops a pass. That the observation is TRUE, is an indictment of the police and their complete lack of professionalism, decent training, or worthiness to hold a badge.
You notice, no one says, "don't run from the cops because if it turns out you've got bad cops, THEY will beat you".
Nope, we just assume pretty much all cops have this piss poor level of professionalism.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:23 am to Toomer Deplorable
quote:
You can “if, but, if, but, if, but…” into infinity yet from the very git-go of this traffic stop
Can you though?
How many instances can you show me where someone was being respectful and complying with police, only to be beaten to death for it?
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:29 am to Powerman
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That shouldn't be a prerequisite for staying alive when confronted by the people who are tasked with protecting the public.
Which is why he said the police should rot in jail.
How can so many people not understand the difference between placing blame and making an observation?
Maybe I've been wrongly pulled over by a cop. I'm still going to comply and depend on a judge to sort things out rather than give the officer an excuse to use force against me.
Should I have to? No, of course not. But the world isn't perfect, there's lots of shite I shouldn't have to do but I still end up doing it...
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:31 am to Azkiger
quote:I can't show you anyone getting beaten to death, but a perusal of YouTube will net you MANY videos of cops GROTESQUELY over reacting or pushing their weight around.
How many instances can you show me where someone was being respectful and complying with police, only to be beaten to death for it?
One of the most recent ones I saw, the cop absolutely slammed a guy into his face on a curb and after the fact said the guy "turned torwards him aggressively.
Alas, the dashcam showed that the guy literally got out of his car as asked, asked why he was pulled over, the cop told him to turn around........the guy showed his back to the cop and IF I'm really looking hard at it in the best possible light for the cop, the man's body MAYBE shifted 2 degrees off of perfectly backwards to the cop. Mind you, this shift was in the direction of the arm being pulled backwards! LOL.
And the cop went frickING NUTS. And the aftermath, the cop genuinely thought he didn't over react. It was bizzare.
Or, maybe we can go with the old man who the cops knocked on his appartment door at like 2AM while yelling but NOT announcing they were police. The old dude(like 70) opens the door with a knife in his hand. The cops, of course, lose their fricking minds yelling. The dude IMMEDIATRELY turns around and puts the knife on top of a high shelf once he sees it's police. So, game over, right? Nope. Taxed the frick out of the dude. He falls straight backwards hitting his head and, he is now permanently disabled.
Make no mistake. The police combine three very bad factors together.
1. Treating every citizen as if they're a member of a cartel.
2. Think they have WAY more authority than they actually do.
3. Have been taught this whole "officer safety" shite to a fault.
You know whose safety is the priorty in all officer civilian interaction. THE CIVILIAN'S!!!!
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:34 am to High Desert
quote:
You notice, no one says, "don't run from the cops because if it turns out you've got bad cops, THEY will beat you".
Nope, we just assume pretty much all cops have this piss poor level of professionalism.
Translates into:
You notice, no one says, "don't want around with your breasts hanging out because if it turns out you walked by the wrong person, THEY will sexually assault/rape you."
Nope, we just assume pretty much all men have this piss poor level of self-control.
There's no hidden message behind that statement, the implication is that there are bad cops/men out there and there are certain behaviors that tend to open bad doors for you. They're still in the wrong (blame), but we can see, at a glance, that certain decisions make you more or less likely to be in that situation (observation).
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:34 am to Azkiger
quote:I get it. And it's true. When confronted by cops, it's probably wise to assume you're dealing with a maniac. Better safe than sorry.
How can so many people not understand the difference between placing blame and making an observation?
That said, while doing this will improve your odds, it ain't fool proof.
Besides, my main point is that I really don't care to even discuss that aspect. We can't create training or policy that somehow teaches the entire public to navigate maniacal police officers. But we CAN hope to create policy, training etc to reduce the number of maniacal police officers! Moreover, we can try to kill their culture which says don't rat on a fellow officer. And, we can start arresting leadership when they see bad body cam and ignore it(which is VERY common)
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 10:36 am
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:36 am to Azkiger
quote:
Maybe I've been wrongly pulled over by a cop. I'm still going to comply and depend on a judge to sort things out rather than give the officer an excuse to use force against me.
Wouldn't save you here. These cops were out for blood.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:36 am to Toomer Deplorable
If the cops hadn’t pulled him over for the traffic violation he’d also still be alive.
Is this how we play?
Is this how we play?
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:39 am to Azkiger
quote:
Translates into:
You notice, no one says, "don't want around with your breasts hanging out because if it turns out you walked by the wrong person, THEY will sexually assault/rape you."
Nope, we just assume pretty much all men have this piss poor level of self-control.
False.
Running around with your breasts hanging out or, dollars waving in the air might get you the attention of any of a number of CRIMINALS who then will commit a CRIME upon you. And, we will rightfully call them criminals AND tell you that you were stupid.
Alas, are you really wanting to run with an analogy that places a SPECIFIC group of people(cops) in the role of the SUBSET of the general population(criminals)?
I mean, OK. If that's what you want to run with. I mean, yeah. If I'm in the city, I SHOULD worry about my behavior attracting CRIMINALS. I just didn't know that I was going to have to include the people in blue in that group!
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:39 am to High Desert
quote:
I can't show you anyone getting beaten to death, but a perusal of YouTube will net you MANY videos of cops GROTESQUELY over reacting or pushing their weight around.
One of the most recent ones I saw, the cop absolutely slammed a guy into his face on a curb and after the fact said the guy "turned torwards him aggressively.
Alas, the dashcam showed that the guy literally got out of his car as asked, asked why he was pulled over, the cop told him to turn around........the guy showed his back to the cop and IF I'm really looking hard at it in the best possible light for the cop, the man's body MAYBE shifted 2 degrees off of perfectly backwards to the cop. Mind you, this shift was in the direction of the arm being pulled backwards! LOL.
And the cop went frickING NUTS. And the aftermath, the cop genuinely thought he didn't over react. It was bizzare.
Or, maybe we can go with the old man who the cops knocked on his appartment door at like 2AM while yelling but NOT announcing they were police. The old dude(like 70) opens the door with a knife in his hand. The cops, of course, lose their fricking minds yelling. The dude IMMEDIATRELY turns around and puts the knife on top of a high shelf once he sees it's police. So, game over, right? Nope. Taxed the frick out of the dude. He falls straight backwards hitting his head and, he is now permanently disabled.
Make no mistake. The police combine three very bad factors together.
1. Treating every citizen as if they're a member of a cartel.
2. Think they have WAY more authority than they actually do.
3. Have been taught this whole "officer safety" shite to a fault.
You know whose safety is the priorty in all officer civilian interaction. THE CIVILIAN'S!!!!
So you're arguing people, if they feel the police aren't being fair to them or are making a mistake, should be disrespectful and not follow police instructions?
Because that's all I'm arguing. There are ways to drastically reduce your chances of certain things happening. That doesn't excuse the cops, but there are tools in your belt that will drastically reduce the chances you end up like Tyre.
This isn't like he was walking down the street and a baseball-sized meteor crashed into him.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Wouldn't save you here. These cops were out for blood.
And at this point, it's just weird how no one seems to want to talk about the apparent fact that this wasn't even a good traffic stop.
They didn't actually witness him do anything wrong. They pulled him over because "they got a call".
And from there, he ended up dead.
NO ONE has claimed he had any warrants outstanding. And, no one yet has even said he was on drugs(which we'd likely know by now).
So, a pretty much routine traffic stop with no basis ends with a pretty average sized dude beaten to death by 5 cops.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:42 am to Revelator
I posted this in another thread but here it is in this thread for you statist bootlickers:
I'm just a small government guy that handles my own affairs and wants to be left alone.
I am at a MUCH higher risk of being a victim of government overreach than I am of a violent crime from another citizen.
I'm just a small government guy that handles my own affairs and wants to be left alone.
I am at a MUCH higher risk of being a victim of government overreach than I am of a violent crime from another citizen.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:43 am to Azkiger
quote:
So you're arguing people, if they feel the police aren't being fair to them or are making a mistake, should be disrespectful and not follow police instructions?
No, sadly, I'm arguing that the likelihood of dealing with an officer with an IQ of about 90 and on a power trip is so high, you should effectively assume THAT is the officer you've gotten in any interaction.
Which, honestlty, is sad. But, that's pretty much what the last several years of the era of cameras everywhere have shown us to be true.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:45 am to Azkiger
quote:I will add though. Don't think that complying is a 100% fail safe. For example. Would you "comply" if an officer asked you to let him search your car?
So you're arguing people, if they feel the police aren't being fair to them or are making a mistake, should be disrespectful and not follow police instructions?
Because that's all I'm arguing. There are ways to drastically reduce your chances of certain things happening. That doesn't excuse the cops, but there are tools in your belt that will drastically reduce the chances you end up like Tyre.
This isn't like he was walking down the street and a baseball-sized meteor crashed into him.
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