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re: If Trump never existed 100% on this board would be drooling over DeSantis.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:00 am to Flats
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:00 am to Flats
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You mean like he's been doing as governor for 4 years? He hasn't just talked about it, he's done it.
No. He needs to do it on the campaign trail. He's running for president. It's official now. Campaigning is about convincing people to back you.
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:01 am to Geekboy
If Trump never existed neither would DeSantis
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:01 am to Fun Bunch
he didn't simply endorse him, he was crucial in helping him win the election. but maybe he should not care about loyalty or be required to defer, to Trump because Trump isn't normal. that's ok, but he shouldn't have accepted his help in the first place if he can't show some sense of gratitude. plus insulting 71 million voters is probably not good strategy
i don't like the zealotry and the propaganda on either side. i don't like Trump's anti DeSantis adds, they have only served to elevate DeSantis' profile imo.
but frankly, in spite of Trump's reputed narcissism and petulant retributions, the mistakes he made in office, real or perceived, the entire country owes Trump a debt of gratitude for bringing to the fore and exposing many of the issues that this country has been ignoring for far too long. whether any of it gets fixed is perilous. DeSantis can be part of the solution(s), but if he doesn't stiff-arm the Bushes, Rove and Paul Ryan, he's going to have his own organic issues. Those are the people who should not be deferred to.
meanwhile i like poking fun at Rob's tribe.
i don't like the zealotry and the propaganda on either side. i don't like Trump's anti DeSantis adds, they have only served to elevate DeSantis' profile imo.
but frankly, in spite of Trump's reputed narcissism and petulant retributions, the mistakes he made in office, real or perceived, the entire country owes Trump a debt of gratitude for bringing to the fore and exposing many of the issues that this country has been ignoring for far too long. whether any of it gets fixed is perilous. DeSantis can be part of the solution(s), but if he doesn't stiff-arm the Bushes, Rove and Paul Ryan, he's going to have his own organic issues. Those are the people who should not be deferred to.
meanwhile i like poking fun at Rob's tribe.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:01 am to moneyg
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He needs to do it on the campaign trail. He's running for president.
This isn’t a clever rejoinder. You might want to regroup.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:02 am to moneyg
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It's obviously a dishonest argument.
Nope, you are showing yourself to be dishonest. Facts are facts.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:06 am to Geekboy
True. But Trump pulled back the curtain and exposed the likes of Bush, Romney and McCain all of whom the board overwhelmingly supported. Trump showed us the way.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:07 am to Geekboy
This has to be the most low T inferiority complex rationalization OP yet.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:16 am to Geekboy
If Trump never existed, we wouldn’t know about the deep state. The smart people on here who are no longer living in the matrix would still be brainwashed into believing establishment politicians can be the solution. The dumb people on here obviously prefer the blue pill because it’s more comfortable.
Trump was needed in order to be able to unplug.
Trump was needed in order to be able to unplug.
This post was edited on 5/25/23 at 10:18 am
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:24 am to the808bass
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I knew it at the time, though (I think I even posted it here). And I’d like to have a President with at least equal perspicacity to myself. It seems like a pretty low bar, honestly.
Or as POTUS he knew stuff no one on earth could fathom to know (still does), especially political forum warriors. People pat Desantis on the back for managing one state, while Trump had to deal with all states and territories PLUS being the "Leader of the Free World". Monday morning QBing on a forum is drop in the sea in comparison.
His flight ban from chyna was a call no one would have had the balls to have made as early as he did. Actually that was the indicator to me that this "new flu" may be more serious than people were saying. But I'm the type that understands you have to learn to read between lines when the company CEO speaks.
Now closing state borders to other Americans could be considered a smaller equivalent move...
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:25 am to Hooligan's Ghost
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he was crucial in helping him win the election.
That's conjecture, not fact. He made him competitive, overnight, in the primary. That was still a back & forth race for the next 10 months, then he had to win against a black guy in 2018.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:28 am to Hooligan's Ghost
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he didn't simply endorse him, he was crucial in helping him win the election. but maybe he should not care about loyalty or be required to defer, to Trump because Trump isn't normal. that's ok, but he shouldn't have accepted his help in the first place if he can't show some sense of gratitude. plus insulting 71 million voters is probably not good strategy
i don't like the zealotry and the propaganda on either side. i don't like Trump's anti DeSantis adds, they have only served to elevate DeSantis' profile imo.
but frankly, in spite of Trump's reputed narcissism and petulant retributions, the mistakes he made in office, real or perceived, the entire country owes Trump a debt of gratitude for bringing to the fore and exposing many of the issues that this country has been ignoring for far too long. whether any of it gets fixed is perilous. DeSantis can be part of the solution(s), but if he doesn't stiff-arm the Bushes, Rove and Paul Ryan, he's going to have his own organic issues. Those are the people who should not be deferred to.
meanwhile i like poking fun at Rob's tribe.
THis is quite possibly one of the most ridiculous things I've seen on here, and that is saying something.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:28 am to KAGTASTIC
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Or as POTUS he knew stuff no one on earth could fathom to know (still does)
He obviously did not know what he should’ve known. He got played.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:33 am to Geekboy
Dam son that is a hard cope if I have ever seen one.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:33 am to the808bass
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Sure. I knew it at the time, though (I think I even posted it here). And I’d like to have a President with at least equal perspicacity to myself. It seems like a pretty low bar, honestly.
You didn't know. I was hugely against the shutdown at the time. I was extreme in that I thought if we were looking at a 1-2% death rate OVERALL, that it wouldn't be worth it. Even I at the time didn't know though what we were up against.
Nobody in the world shared my acceptable level of loss. Every country shut down. There were published models that projected transmission that weren't even close
No president ever has had to make a decision like that with less real information. And, then our own government took advantage of the situation by spending even after things cleared up. This wasn't considered a "war time" decision where we all look out for the best interest of our country. It was a money grab.
Trump fought the machine almost from day one on Covid. He just lost. He wouldn't wear a mask. He fought to reopen way sooner than the machine wanted. He fought to get schools opened earlier.
I don't think you can excuse Trump for how it was managed. But, I also don't think any other president could have done better in that fight. It was truly a perfect example of how much power the deep state and its willing participants have.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:34 am to the808bass
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This isn’t a clever rejoinder
It wasn't meant to be.
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You might want to regroup.
I'll regroup when you show you are capable of keeping up.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:36 am to frogtown
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Nope, you are showing yourself to be dishonest. Facts are facts.
...says the guy equating Biden's new spending on new and expanded social programs and climate policies to Trump's stimulus spending.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:37 am to moneyg
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Trump fought the machine almost from day one on Covid. He just lost.
Also you:
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Sorry. I want the guy who is elected president to be running the show. I don't want it to be the people behind the scenes.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:38 am to Fun Bunch
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THis is quite possibly one of the most ridiculous things I've seen on here, and that is saying something.
You found this riiculous?
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but frankly, in spite of Trump's reputed narcissism and petulant retributions, the mistakes he made in office, real or perceived, the entire country owes Trump a debt of gratitude for bringing to the fore and exposing many of the issues that this country has been ignoring for far too long. whether any of it gets fixed is perilous. DeSantis can be part of the solution(s), but if he doesn't stiff-arm the Bushes, Rove and Paul Ryan, he's going to have his own organic issues. Those are the people who should not be deferred to.
I 100% agree with that quote. What parts do you disagree with? Was it the part that referenced the negatives of working with Bush/Rove/Ryan?
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:39 am to Flats
The Trump contingent never allowed excuses for other politicians, they still don't.
But the list of excuses for Trump is a mile long. Unfortunately, I think there is a good chance they'll get their way and 18 months from now we'll be adding even more excuses to the list.
But the list of excuses for Trump is a mile long. Unfortunately, I think there is a good chance they'll get their way and 18 months from now we'll be adding even more excuses to the list.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:41 am to moneyg
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You found this riiculous?
You know what, you're right. I read the first part and had a meeting to run into and was hasty.
Its not ridiculous in its entirety. My bad.
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