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If there were no sacrifice, Kiev, Minsk, and Europe would have been uninhabitable.

Posted on 4/21/26 at 7:58 am
Posted by Timeoday
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 7:58 am
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There was a moment when there was the danger of a nuclear explosion, and they had to get the water out from under the reactor, so that a mixture of uranium and graphite wouldn't get into it - with the water, they would have formed a critical mass. The explosion would have been between three and five megatons. This would have meant that not only Kiev and Minsk, but a large part of Europe would have been uninhabitable. Can you imagine it? A European catastrophe.

So here was the task: who would dive in there and open the bolt on the safety valve? They promised them a car, an apartment, a dacha, aid for their families until the end of time. They searched for volunteers. And they found them! The boys dived, many times, and they opened that bolt, and the unit was given 7,000 roubles. They forgot about the cars and apartments they promised - that's not why they dived. These are people who came from a certain culture, the culture of the great achievement. They were a sacrifice.


Safe Reliable Energy
This post was edited on 4/21/26 at 7:59 am
Posted by CharlesUFarley
Daphne, AL
Member since Jan 2022
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 8:19 am to
I think the estimation of a megaton explosion is highly exaggerated. It wouldn't even be a fission explosion, it would be a steam explosion.

Besides, even if it was somehow nuclear, we are talking about fission here. I am not sure, but I think all the megaton class weapons were fusion bombs.
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 8:25 am to
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There was a moment when there was the danger of a nuclear explosion, and they had to get the water out from under the reactor, so that a mixture of uranium and graphite wouldn't get into it - with the water, they would have formed a critical mass. The explosion would have been between three and five megatons. This would have meant that not only Kiev and Minsk, but a large part of Europe would have been uninhabitable. Can you imagine it? A European catastrophe.


No I cannot imagine it and frankly I do not want to imagine it. I have been to Minsk but I have been to Kyiv. It had the potential to be a beautiful city once all the Soviet era soul less concrete blocks were torn down. The pre-Soviet style architecture was beautiful.

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So here was the task: who would dive in there and open the bolt on the safety valve? They promised them a car, an apartment, a dacha, aid for their families until the end of time. They searched for volunteers. And they found them! The boys dived, many times, and they opened that bolt, and the unit was given 7,000 roubles. They forgot about the cars and apartments they promised - that's not why they dived. These are people who came from a certain culture, the culture of the great achievement. They were a sacrifice.



I do not know if the Soviets took care of the men who went into the water like they said they would do but I have heard stories about how the Soviets, Ukrainians, Belarusians, and Russians basically tried to forget about all the liquidators prior to and after the fall of the USSR.
Posted by Stealth Matrix
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 8:47 am to
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Lyudmilla Ignatenko
Wife of fireman Vasily Ignatenko

We were newlyweds. We still walked around holding hands, even if we were just going to the store. I would say to him, "I love you." But I didn't know then how much. I had no idea.



Yeah the first story was enough to depress me for the day. Thanks.
Posted by soonerinlOUisiana
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Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 8:55 am to
Third world people with nuclear technology. SMH. This is why the moslem dictatorship must be destroyed. Hopefully I’m gone before the nuclear third world shitholers of Pakistan, India, NK, China, and “modern” Russia frick things up again.
Posted by Timeoday
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Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 9:20 am to
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Yeah the first story was enough to depress me for the day. Thanks.


I as well. I do believe nuclear power is a very safe alternative but, when it is not, people and property are harmed significantly.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 9:32 am to
Anyone who does not watch the series Chernobyl is doing themselves a disservice.
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 9:41 am to
The citizens of Kiev were advised that they were safe and could stay home. But most of them moved away from the site for a simple reason. They had learned from experience that the Soviet govt lies...a lot.
This post was edited on 4/21/26 at 9:42 am
Posted by The Baker
This is fine.
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 9:43 am to
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It wouldn't even be a fission explosion, it would be a steam explosion.


I think the issue is less about the blast strength or blast radius but the jettison of reactive material into the atmosphere
This post was edited on 4/21/26 at 9:44 am
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 9:54 am to
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Anyone who does not watch the series Chernobyl is doing themselves a disservice.


Thank you so much for the remind.
Posted by CharlesUFarley
Daphne, AL
Member since Jan 2022
1106 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 2:35 pm to
Yes, that was very serious and deadly, and I feel gratitude for the divers that sacrificed themselves, but "Megatons" is not a unit the describes radioactive contamination. Also, i don't think "critical mass" applies to this situation.
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/21/26 at 2:58 pm to
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Anyone who does not watch the series Chernobyl is doing themselves a disservice.

"I promise if you fly directly over that core, by this time tomorrow morning you'll be begging for that bullet!"
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