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If there was ever a Vatican III. What changes should be made to the Church?
Posted on 10/7/21 at 6:35 am
Posted on 10/7/21 at 6:35 am
Should priests be able to marry? This is a much more complicated theological and doctrinal question than many people realize.
Should direct power and authority from VC be decentralized while still receiving guidance and leadership?
Should the Church be more confrontational to evil, instead of the current passive stance the Church is taking.
Take stronger stances on Homosexuality and perverted lifestyles
Be more involved in world events and confronting the evils of Communism and the Great Reset
Should direct power and authority from VC be decentralized while still receiving guidance and leadership?
Should the Church be more confrontational to evil, instead of the current passive stance the Church is taking.
Take stronger stances on Homosexuality and perverted lifestyles
Be more involved in world events and confronting the evils of Communism and the Great Reset
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 6:37 am
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Posted on 10/7/21 at 6:45 am to burger bearcat
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Should priests be able to marry?
No.
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Should direct power and authority from VC be decentralized while still receiving guidance and leadership?
It already is. Contrary to popular belief, the individual bishops exercise almost dictatorial control over their dioceses. They are just in communion with the Pope in Rome, who provides the final say when there are disputes.
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Should the Church be more confrontational to evil, instead of the current passive stance the Church is taking.
I feel like it needs to bring its private battles against evil into the public eye. There is constant spiritual warfare going on within the Church, it just doesn't take place in the light.
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Take stronger stances on Homosexuality and perverted lifestyles
100% this.
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Be more involved in world events and confronting the evils of Communism and the Great Reset
It once was heavily involved in this - particularly during the Cold War - but has fallen behind in the fight due to the weaknesses of the current pontiff.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 6:56 am to burger bearcat
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This is a much more complicated theological and doctrinal question than many people realize.
It isn't a doctrinal issue. If it were there would be no question.
Clerical celibacy is a discipline.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:01 am to burger bearcat
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If there was ever a Vatican III. What changes should be made to the Church?
Reverse Vatican II.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:07 am to burger bearcat
Excommunicate Joe Biden and anyone that supports him.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:10 am to Bestbank Tiger
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It isn't a doctrinal issue. If it were there would be no question.
Celibacy is a theological issue and it is more complicated than most think.
I believe that Jesus himself required celibacy of his apostles and lived it out himself. See Matthew 19:11-12. Yes, Peter was married but my personal belief is that his wife had died or was at least out of the picture by the time he followed Jesus. (My personal opinion not saying the Church teaches this.)
It's also misunderstood that celibacy isn't universal in the priesthood. There are those who have been married and their wife died or divorced and they became priests. There are exceptions and married priests. In the east there are many married priests, in the west there are a handful of married priests.
Yes, celibacy is required for Priests but they make exceptions, mostly Anglican priests who convert and become Catholic Priests.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:14 am to burger bearcat
I think one thing that would go a long way is immediate and severe discipline of bishops and priests who preach against what the church actually teaches.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:19 am to catholictigerfan
There was a married Roman Catholic priest in Baton Rouge some years back. Not sure if he's still there. I think he was a married priest in the Episcopal church and converted to Roman Catholic.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:24 am to burger bearcat
Get rid of the abject pagan heresies, starting with returning to a Biblical view of justification by faith and remove idol worship.
Just minor tweaks.
Just minor tweaks.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:31 am to McLemore
I would make sure that the Pope is a practicing Catholic...they seem to have missed that with the current one
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:34 am to McLemore
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starting with returning to a Biblical view of justification by faith
The Catholic Church has always held this view and re-stated it emphatically at the Council of Trent in 1547. So already you are approaching this argument from false pretenses.
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 7:35 am
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:48 am to McLemore
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Get rid of the abject pagan heresies
The stance on divorce could be looked at. Let's say someone loses their spouse to cancer after 40. Their choices for a new relationship are severely limited, and the annulment process is a joke.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:49 am to TrueTiger
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Reverse Vatican II.
This is what I was going to say.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:54 am to McLemore
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remove idol worship
Wasn't aware that Catholics worship idols. This is news to me.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:58 am to catholictigerfan
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It's also misunderstood that celibacy isn't universal in the priesthood
Correct.
Technically a married man can be ordained, but an ordained man cannot marry.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:01 am to RollTide1987
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The Catholic Church has always held this view and re-stated it emphatically at the Council of Trent in 1547. So already you are approaching this argument from false pretenses.
Faith ALONE
Even if "veneration" and praying to "saints" isn't idolatry (it is), if you think Mary didn't suffer from Original Sin then there you go. Blasphemy actually.
This thread should be whacked, so I'm out. Enjoy your heresies.
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 8:08 am
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:04 am to burger bearcat
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Should priests be able to marry? This is a much more complicated theological and doctrinal question than many people realize.
It’s neither theological nor doctrine it is simply the current practice in the Roman right. Other Catholic Churches allow marriage. Hell, the Roman right allows married priests in certain circumstances.
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Should direct power and authority from VC be decentralized while still receiving guidance and leadership?
It currently is Bishops are all equal. The Pope only has final say on certain issues. That power has been exercised I think twice in the last 100 or so years.
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Be more involved in world events and confronting the evils of Communism and the Great Reset
St. John Paul II was instrumental in the fall of the Soviet Union. It was his visits to Poland and his work with Thatcher and Reagan that brought the end to the USSR.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:08 am to crash1211
Vatican II is like the 16th and 17th Amendments.
They should have never been done.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:09 am to McLemore
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Faith ALONE
There is nothing in Scripture that says we are saved by faith alone. Martin Luther added that little moniker when he translated Paul's Letter to the Romans but you can't find that word alongside "Faith" anywhere else in the New Testament. However, you can find in the Epistle of St. James that faith without works "is dead."
But on the surface, Catholics believe that we are justified by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, and that we are saved from sin through Baptism.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:09 am to TrueTiger
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Reverse Vatican II
Overall Vatican II is a very good Council.
What needs to be addressed is some of the ambiguity which led to the drastic change in the Mass. Some bishops took Vatican II then self interpreting making aggressive changes which were never meant to be.
Also a Vatican III would need to address communion in the hand and eliminate the practice. This was a practice allowed in a single diocese in Europe but again Bishops took it and spread it throughout the Church.
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