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re: If the Tariffs are meant to return manufacturing what’s the point of negotiating?
Posted on 4/4/25 at 10:40 am to RaoulDuke504
Posted on 4/4/25 at 10:40 am to RaoulDuke504
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I would pay more for goods that last 80 years like they did in the 50’s over Chinese crap that 30% less and last 1 year.
What 80 year old goods are you using right now?
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 10:44 am to geoag58
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Tell us your plan, because the plan we have been on, you know the one that increases our debt at an ever increasing rate is not sustainable.
Boomers… live their whole life off of a ballooning deficit then decide to “fix it” by blowing the economy up as they’re dying out. Brilliant.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:08 am to RaoulDuke504
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Stupid people need to be saved from themselves
I find the concept of a government being the entity that saves people a reprehensible one.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:10 am to Flats
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I've shared American alternatives here before. They exist, people just don't want to pay for them. You can buy a keyboard, right now, made in Kentucky. I'll bet nobody here has one. There are clothes made here, shoes made here, stuff people touch and use every single day.
Exactly. It’s the economy stupid applies to our purchases every single day.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 2:58 pm to CollegeFBRules
This is simply to force countries and American companies to come bend the knee so they can be exempted. It’s not to promote US manufacturing. It’s so obvious
Posted on 4/4/25 at 3:13 pm to CollegeFBRules
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Let me ask you this, when corporations first started moving their manufacturing overseas, why did they do it?
Cheap labor and almost no regulations comparatively.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 3:18 pm to CollegeFBRules
quote:so they could get a leg up on their fellow American competitors. Of course this led to the others having to follow or go out of business. There went our manufacturing.
Let me ask you this, when corporations first started moving their manufacturing overseas, why did they do it?
Posted on 4/4/25 at 3:23 pm to GumboPot
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Some countries will move manufacturing to the U.S.
Some countries will drop their tariffs on U.S. goods entering their country so we will drop tariffs on their goods entering our country.
Some countries will throw a fit and cry.
This is the best summary I have read. Good job.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 3:58 pm to CollegeFBRules
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I cannot wrap my head around fiscal conservatives looking at this and being “Hell yeah!”
I dont think you know what a fiscal conservative is
When all American cars were made here, the costs were inline with the US paycheck
When foreign cars began to be imported, and US factories closed down, the year-to-year increases skyrocketed. That in no way, shape, or form is fiscal conservatism
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1910-1919
The Model T cost about $825 when they first appeared on the market. That would amount to about $18,000 in today’s dollars.
1920-1929
New car prices actually fell in the 1920s, with new car’s available for less than $300, translating to about $3,500 in today’s money.
1930-1939
The Depression impacted the markets for new cars, prices averaged about $600 through the decade
1940-1949
Average car prices rose to about $850
1950-1959
Families began buying more vehicles. Prices began reaching over $2,000 for well-equipped American made family cars.
Then in the 60s, you had Volkswagen, Datsun, Renault, Isuzu, Suburu, Honda, Mazda entering the US market, and prices skyrocketed. By the beginning of the 70s prices had increased 20%. By the 80s prices had doubled. In Jan 90, prices had increased another 50%. Prices remained steady at the turn of the century until the hoax pandemic
Offshoring manufacturing has NEVER been about lowering prices. It has ALWAYS been about the redistribution of US purchasing power to the rest of the globe. (AKA as "The New World Order"). And the NWO has never been about fiscal conservatism
The More You Know
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:13 pm to GumboPot
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I'm applauding the more fair and free trade with Vietnam (think cheaper shoes and cloths), India (think cheaper iPhones), EU is considering lowering their tariffs from 10% to 2.5% (which means we will too), and there are more counties considering the same as this tariff reciprocity is currently in flux. When tariffs are on the negotiation table there is one of two ways things can go, higher or lower tariffs for both trading partners. It is self evident by the word "reciprocity" that Trump is arguing for "fair" trade and if that means freer trade, more the better...because we do not have free or fair trade right now.
NAFTA and the Trans Pacific Partnership are really good model for what this looks like. I think most of MAGA hates NAFTA and it killed the TPP.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:29 pm to RobbBobb
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Then in the 60s, you had Volkswagen, Datsun, Renault, Isuzu, Suburu, Honda, Mazda entering the US market, and prices skyrocketed. By the beginning of the 70s prices had increased 20%. By the 80s prices had doubled.
Do this price comparison by car manufacturer so we can see if the imports or domestic were the ones raising the prices.
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:42 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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So it would seem that we do still have a need at the moment for a lot of foreign goods while developing things.
So? We've all benefited from this gross political and economic malpractice that's been going on for decades. Cheap cars, cheap electronics, cheap chinese crap from Walmart. We're all guilty of it, and we'll all have to make sacrifices in order to right the American ship again.
For the moment, you'll have to pay twenty bucks for a toaster instead of ten.
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:46 pm to RaoulDuke504
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Countries like Israel and Vietnam offered to remove all tariffs. If we reciprocated that especially to Vietnam this would do more damage to manufacturing than before.
we dont really want to make Athletic shoes and T-Shirts in America. For Vietnam it is more about us selling American goods into their emerging economy, not us replacing their manufacturing with US manufacturing.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:47 pm to supatigah
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For Vietnam it is more about us selling American goods into their emerging economy,
China part 2.
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not us replacing their manufacturing with US manufacturing.
This is the argument of many defending the tariffs.
I agree with you, but that's not the messaging.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:47 pm to David Fellows
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So? We've all benefited from this gross political and economic malpractice that's been going on for decades. Cheap cars, cheap electronics, cheap chinese crap from Walmart. We're all guilty of it, and we'll all have to make sacrifices in order to right the American ship again.
For the moment, you'll have to pay twenty bucks for a toaster instead of ten.
The question was what's the point of negotiating. We don't make certain things that people need or don't make enough of certain things. So before we are able to make things we cirrently don't make, etc., we still need to negotiate the best we can even if we are paying higher prices for that stuff.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:26 pm to RaoulDuke504
I'm legitimately confused by all the efforts made to dismantle ongoing clean energy projects like EV and battery factories if we're looking to reshore manufacturing back to the US. Are we literally talking about textile mills?
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Both nations have increased their citizens quality of life over the past 30 years, objectively.
Can you objectively flesh this out? For the US, I mean. It´s clear it´s benefitted China.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:42 pm to RaoulDuke504
If a country removes a tariff, that manufacturing gets cheaper so why would they come back domestically?
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