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re: If the optimism of yesterday is legit, did the media screw themselve with the doomcasting?
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:01 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:01 am to SlowFlowPro
I think I have already seen the beginnings of a pivot on this. Something along these lines: "the administration knew as early as [DATE] that a pandemic was coming [based on the Navarro memo or whatever] and failed to act/act sufficiently/took missteps."
If the projections are better than anticipated, look for specific numbers to be dropped in favor of "thousands dead" and "trillions spent." In terms of a catch-phrase, I suspect something like "asleep at the switch" or a "failure to lead."
If the projections are better than anticipated, look for specific numbers to be dropped in favor of "thousands dead" and "trillions spent." In terms of a catch-phrase, I suspect something like "asleep at the switch" or a "failure to lead."
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:01 am to Sull
The media always screws things up, that is why I stopped trusting and listening to them years ago.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:02 am to Bjorn Cyborg
South Korea is criminally prosecuting the large church/cult for their role in “spreading the virus.”
It’s not an analogous society in any way.
It’s not an analogous society in any way.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:04 am to SlowFlowPro
Everyone seems to be pointing fingers while the actions we took seem to be working.
I know maybe we could have gotten out ahead of this thing sooner, but getting people to buy into these extreme measures before there is a real threat is pretty hard.
I think we did the best we could to be honest, and if this really is slowing, and we have flattened the curve than this should be considered a success.
They predicted hundred of thousands of death of we did nothing and clearly we avoided that.
I know maybe we could have gotten out ahead of this thing sooner, but getting people to buy into these extreme measures before there is a real threat is pretty hard.
I think we did the best we could to be honest, and if this really is slowing, and we have flattened the curve than this should be considered a success.
They predicted hundred of thousands of death of we did nothing and clearly we avoided that.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:04 am to SlowFlowPro
MSM is pushing the accelerator to the floor on their self-destruction!
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:06 am to TigerDoc
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We were left to rely on WHO because we degraded our capacity.
So you agree with Trump that WHO is an incompetent organization at best?
You're on your way to being a Trump supporter!
The Inevitability of Incrementalism.
You'll need a coat by November.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:07 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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I think I have already seen the beginnings of a pivot on this. Something along these lines: "the administration knew as early as [DATE] that a pandemic was coming [based on the Navarro memo or whatever] and failed to act/act sufficiently/took missteps."
If the projections are better than anticipated, look for specific numbers to be dropped in favor of "thousands dead" and "trillions spent." In terms of a catch-phrase, I suspect something like "asleep at the switch" or a "failure to lead."
Yes, this is right. The Republican response will be the sorts of arguments we're seeing here plus continuing attempts to shape the electorate favorably.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:08 am to SlowFlowPro
Weren't you doing the same?
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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So, now that it appears the early models that doomcasting was based off of MAY have been too pessimistic, it creates a situation where Trump may far exceed their projections. how do they walk this back and turn it into a talking point against him?
They will say that the spread of the virus didn’t reach the predicted levels because Trump heeded their advice to shelter in place
and observe social distancing
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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so, now that it appears the early models that doomcasting was based off of MAY have been too pessimistic, it creates a situation where Trump may far exceed their projections.
how do they walk this back and turn it into a talking point against him? they have been relentless on saying every comment/tweet effectively has killed thousands of people, so if we turn out way better than they told the public we would, Trump wins. they can't really say Trump didn't do x, y, or z because literally anything he's done has been criticized.
what are they going to go with? that he got lucky?
Easy. They'll tout that policies enacted by states and municipalities (especially Democratic-led ones) prevented mass death in spite of ineptitude at the federal level.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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what are they going to go with? that he got lucky?
It's really all they have. He had them so turned around - they were saying that bans were racist. Then when he tried to keep calm and optimistic, they (the MSM and the Dems) panicked the Karens (while locally, notably Pelosi and AOC were saying, "Come on down, it's fine - in MARCH, no less), so it was World War Wuhan.
And when he wins that, ahead of schedule, under budget (well, not really under budget, but I digress), they'll have to pivot to crediting Cuomo and Fauci while saying Trump should have done more and got lucky.
No reasonable person will buy that, but they already have 45 to 47% (that number again) who will believe everything they say.
Rinse, repeat.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:09 am to Dale51
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So you agree with Trump that WHO is an incompetent organization at best?
I think one of the best features of international organizations has been what other countries has long complained about them - that they've often represented American interests. When we go to war with them they serve our interests less well, but I agree that they haven't acquitted themselves well here.
I think it's a good argument for the democrats to make Trump's fetishization of nationalism doesn't actually competently advance our national interests.
Maybe that's too nuanced for a national election and that's why they don't pay me to be a political consultant.
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 11:12 am
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:10 am to RJYH
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Weren't you doing the same?
no i doomcasted the economics, which have already been terrible
also let me be clear, a "win" doesn't mean it's over. NYC is still going to be shut down for a while. Nola is going to be shut down for a while. the economic effects are going to be felt for a long, long time.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:11 am to TigerDoc
That was a lot of words to avoid saying “yes.”
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:12 am to UGATiger26
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They'll tout that policies enacted by states and municipalities (especially Democratic-led ones) prevented mass death in spite of ineptitude at the federal level.
and then they can point out the NYC stats
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:14 am to the808bass
Yes. Who failed us on this, but I think it's because China has actually been playing a smart international game in co-opting it as they're co-opting other international organizations that we're neglecting to co-opt.
Going to war with organizations makes good domestic politics with the baws in the short term, but it makes the nation less safe, fattens tail risk and then it blows up in our (and his) faces.
Going to war with organizations makes good domestic politics with the baws in the short term, but it makes the nation less safe, fattens tail risk and then it blows up in our (and his) faces.
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 11:16 am
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:15 am to TigerDoc
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I think I have already seen the beginnings of a pivot on this. Something along these lines: "the administration knew as early as [DATE] that a pandemic was coming [based on the Navarro memo or whatever] and failed to act/act sufficiently/took missteps."
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Yes, this is right.
the first Navarro memo was Jan 29, right? when did Trump "ban" travel with China?
and even then, the memo said like 500k-2M lives. we're going to come in well under that
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:15 am to SammyTiger
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They predicted hundred of thousands of death of we did nothing and clearly we avoided that.
Wrong. It was millions if we did nothing.
The hundreds of thousands was with mitigation.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:15 am to SlowFlowPro
They will flat out ignore it like they usually do when they are wrong. They will sky scream and print a very small retraction and move to their next fake news/outrage.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:16 am to TigerDoc
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but I think it's because China has actually been playing a smart international game in co-opting it as they're co-opting international organizations that we're neglecting to co-opt.
i understand your point in normal circumstances, but they basically shot themselves in the head with this strategy during this crisis
they clearly influenced and lied to the WHO, which will cause millions of deaths outside of China. that frickS them
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