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Posted on 2/7/26 at 9:30 pm to debatingnothating
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Primates aren’t a race, but comparing Black people to primates has a long, ugly racist history. Casting the Obamas as “primates” while others are shown as other jungle inhabitants, then you calling Michelle Obama “Big Mike,” isn’t clever or accidental, it’s intentional. Calling them names doesn’t bother me. Pretending the meme isn’t racist does. Racism isn’t a crime, but honesty isn’t either. If you believe it, at least have the backbone to own it instead of hiding behind childish insults and deflection. Stand on what you believe.
Amen.
I agree with everything you said and have been saying exactly the same.
I don't think the idea that DNA confers different behavioral and physical characteristics that may also trend along with racial expressions (which is just another function of DNA) should be a radically socially or politically suppressed question to ask.
No more so than asking, "Is there any correlation between eye/hair color and intelligence?"
Now, the answer might be "no," but you have to be allowed to ask the question to get an answer.
And for the idiots who say things like, "Nobody can say why they think it's racist," how about this. I think it's racist because Trump said it was (or at least didn't deny that it was in a context in which a denial would have been expected if that was his position), and that he therefore condemned that part of the video.
From USA Today:
quote:
Asked about calls from GOP lawmakers for him to apologize, Trump said he didn't plan to. He later said "of course I do" when asked if he condemned the racist part of the video.
He didn't say, "What racist part? There was no racist part."
He answered like any rational human being with two working brain cells to rub together.
He condemned the (obviously) racist portion and claimed he only watched the beginning before giving it the o.k. to run.
This post was edited on 2/7/26 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 2/8/26 at 12:15 pm to debatingnothating
quote:Once again, regarding your allusion to examples of simianization in historical context, we are long separated from those periods. Just as we are from similar examples in other marginalized groups, e.g. Irish
We are not living in the slavery era.
We are living in an era in which Bush, and Trump are imaged as apes.
Why?
You are implying that the Obamas and their supporters are exempt from similar retorts because things that no longer are applicable, once were applicable.
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Please read the post to which I replied. He asked for receipts showing that depicting Black people as monkeys or apes has a long racist history, and I provided the historical context.
However, we are now in a nasty political era where simianization of opponents is commonplace. Before "W" such depictions were uncommon. But they aren't now. Democrats habitually caricatured "W" that way. I guess the take home message is "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." Nonetheless, Dems happily threw stones. It is ridiculous to claim now that it's fine for Obama folks to have depicted Bush or Trump as apes, while finding a return in kind to be unacceptable. That dog don't hunt.
Irish historically depicted as monkeys
Germans historically depicted as Apes
POTUS's depicted as apes
Posted on 2/8/26 at 1:09 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 2/8/26 at 2:22 pm to debatingnothating
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Stop pretending you don’t understand the significance of depicting Black people as monkeys or gorillas. Anyone who doesn’t see the racist intent behind that meme is willfully blind. Even if a Lion King theme was meant to reference voter fraud, the image is terrible optics. This is no different from boxer Teó Lopez saying he’d fight “whatever monkey wants a banana.”
I just can’t find it in myself to give even half of a frick about this. Boo frickin hoo.
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