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re: If PA, GA, AZ all confirm voter fraud, then Biden did not legally get to the magic 270 EV
Posted on 6/9/21 at 5:09 pm to League Champs
Posted on 6/9/21 at 5:09 pm to League Champs
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, you legally cannot certify a fraudulent election
you are claiming that idealism shall prevail
in fact whatever cheating or fraud or wrongdoing may have happened the election was certified and based on the 50 losses the trump legal team ran up repeating trumps vain inability to accept defeat (so it must have been fraud) I predict the supreme court will crush trumps balls.
i never believed it was intended to do more than spread fake news. keep interest up for 2022.
it's all propaganda. no one in their right mind would go more than a week without updates.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 5:14 pm
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 5:25 pm to League Champs
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Which Constitutionally means that the election is then thrown to the states, amirite? Biden has 306, and if he loses PA (-20), GA (-16), AZ (-11) that leaves hime with only 259 certified electors.
Don't think it works like that. There were 538 electors, and 306 of them voted for Biden. That was the election.
Many people (myself included) think some states should have sent a different group of people to be electors, but this is how the ones they sent voted. End of story.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 5:37 pm to CelticDog
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in fact whatever cheating or fraud or wrongdoing may have happened the election was certified
Wrong. No illegal voting and fraud is EVER certified. That's the point!
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based on the 50 losses the trump legal team ran up
Dumb arse. Trump won 71% of the cases where they HEARD the case. In fact I believe there are still 12.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 5:54 pm to Jjdoc
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No illegal voting and fraud is EVER certified. That's the point!
That just isn’t true. The states did certify their results, and the EC did in fact vote.
Their time to not certify the results was prior to the EV certification by Congress. That is the total, complete, and unequivocal end of the 2020 presidential election. Their time time to dispute congressional election results or to decertify the same was the day the current congress took their seats.
Pointing to a dictionary definition of what certify means doesn’t change that fact that procedurally and legally, the election is over.
States decertifying their results at this juncture, which I seriously doubt any legislature will do, would have zero legal effect. Congress is the only body with the authority to address this situation under current US law. Everything that you repeatedly state will happen is extra-constitutional and will be shut down quickly by the courts.
Pretending that the election can or will be overturned/reversed/whatever is nothing but a waste of time and energy that should be devoted to preventing this clusterfrick from ever happening again.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 6/9/21 at 5:57 pm to Indefatigable
You sir, are wrong in many respects. As a matter of fact, the USSC has the ability to throw out the election and call for a redo. Biden will be removed from office .
Posted on 6/9/21 at 5:59 pm to Lickitty Split
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As a matter of fact, the USSC has the ability to throw out the election and call for a redo.
Give me a cite then.
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You sir, are wrong in many respects
Well let’s be specific.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 6:00 pm to League Champs
The fact is the Senate was bought off. *Biden is the illegitimate President of this fricked up nation period.
They stole it lock stock and barrel.
They stole it lock stock and barrel.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 6:02 pm to CelticDog
quote:That's just your feeling loser you better get scared if these states decertify Orange Man will be back in the white house
in fact whatever cheating or fraud or wrongdoing may have happened the election was certified and based on the 50 losses the trump legal team ran up repeating trumps vain inability to accept defeat (so it must have been fraud) I predict the supreme court will crush trumps balls.
there was fraud, you know there was fraud
if there was a legal legit election the dems would not have tried to stop this in court, fact is your president is a crook
Posted on 6/9/21 at 6:52 pm to Indefatigable
quote:For somebody alleged to be “not ok with fraud having occurred” you seem serene enough about the outcome of the fraud to sit back and wave your white flag. Given that widespread election fraud is extra-constitutional, to be as loathe as you seem about the possible use of extra-constitutional means, if needed, to right this gross injustice seems curious.
. I am just being realistic about what the actual recourse can/will be.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 6/9/21 at 6:56 pm to JawjaTigah
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For somebody alleged to be “not ok with fraud having occurred” you seem serene enough about the outcome of the fraud to sit back and wave your white flag.
You’re confusing recognition of what the law says and doesn’t say with serenity.
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Given that widespread election fraud is extra-constitutional, to be as loathe as you seem about the possible use of extra-constitutional means, if needed, to right this gross injustice seems curious.
Perhaps. But the only way to truly right the wrong will be to do so via Constitutional processes. It’s the long game. Extra constitutional means will only begat more extra constitutional means in the future by the opposition, and in retaliation. The threshold for when to use those means will get lower and lower. It’s a cycle that only ends one way eventually—despotism and total disregard for the rule of law.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 6/9/21 at 7:22 pm to CelticDog
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you are claiming that idealism shall prevail
This isn't idealism. This is the rule of law. The very foundation of our laws is based on not profiting from illegal activity, once proven. Proven fraud requires a remedy.
And the Supremes are the single body designed to enforce that. Once the fake prez is removed, they will revert back to the prescriptions found in the Constitution for a disputed election. Which this one will certainly be, once enough states verify cheating.
The law will not allow a stolen election, because they know people will start dying. And they also know that they are giving their permission for it to happen forever, if a sufficient hammer is not used to stop it.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 7:30 pm to M. A. Ryland
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That was the election.
If fraud is proven, then Biden was never the "duly elected President", which is required by the US Constitution. Those EV cannot stand, or no election in America will ever be certifiable again.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 7:35 pm to Indefatigable
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You’re confusing recognition of what the law
You keep using a retarded definition of "the law". In no way, shape, or form is the law going to uphold openly fraudulent activity.
B E C A U S E it sets the precedent that undiscovered fraud cannot be corrected after 4 months. That simply aint happening in the US Supreme Court. especially when the court itself refused to grant timely interventions when requested.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 7:44 pm to Indefatigable
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No illegal voting and fraud is EVER certified. That's the point!
That just isn’t true.
It is.
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The states did certify their results,
Here is where I think you are not following... (and It's not that I think you are a leftist)
The state was told that the results were legit and accurate.
They were not.
That is why there is a decertification process.
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That is the total, complete, and unequivocal end of the 2020 presidential election. Their time time to dispute congressional election results or to decertify the same was the day the current congress took their seats.
Not true.
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Pointing to a dictionary definition of what certify means doesn’t change that fact that procedurally and legally, the election is over.
Let me reword what you wrote in an attempt to make it clearer:
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Pointing to a dictionary definition of what certify means doesn't change the fact that procedurally it was handle correctly.
However the fact that the certification was of an illegal and erroneous vote nullifies that certification if the result =s a different person winning
Posted on 6/9/21 at 7:47 pm to Lambchops11
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Oh your “feelings” What a clown.
If you are aware enough to know that fraud existed, why in the world would you believe those who defrauded the public would not have a contingency plan?
And not be powerful enough to implement that plan.
Look, I’m a person who has ZERO faith in government and believes that all involuntary involvement in government should be abolished, because it is illegitimate.
I don’t hold the federal, state, or local government as legitimate.
And because of that distrust in the state, I don’t for one second think they will allow themselves to be exposed.
All I’m saying is, if you are dreaming of the election being overturned, wake up.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 7:47 pm to Hayekian serf
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You guys are living in fantasy world.
I’m not saying there wasn’t fraud,
I’m telling you with a feeling of near complete certainty that nothing will happen if it’s revealed
You know, if in fact you are correct.
It still must be revealed.
And if it is revealed, a lot of something will happen.
It might not be Trump being put back in office,
But a lot will happen.
The audits must continue.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 7:54 pm to CelticDog
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you are claiming that idealism shall prevail
in fact whatever cheating or fraud or wrongdoing may have happened the election was certified and based on the 50 losses the trump legal team ran up repeating trumps vain inability to accept defeat (so it must have been fraud) I predict the supreme court will crush trumps balls.
i never believed it was intended to do more than spread fake news. keep interest up for 2022.
it's all propaganda. no one in their right mind would go more than a week without updates.
Celtic Dog can actually go further into insane thinking/dream land. I stand corrected. I was wrong, just didn't think it was possible.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:01 pm to Indefatigable
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Which Constitutionally means that the election is then thrown to the states, amirite?
You are not right.
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At that point the US Constitution throws the election to the states
Not true at this point. The election is over. The candidates have taken their offices, and neither the POTUS, VPOTUS, or any member of Congress can be removed from their current positions by any manner other than those specified in the Constitution.
The audits cannot and will not result in ANY federal election being "overturned" or "reversed." It is too late for that. The impacts of the audits will be in improved procedures down the line.
As much as it pains me to agree with Indefatigable, he is correct.
The best we can hope for is meaningful reform in election integrity.
It's sad, not fair, and sucks. But the inauguration of Joe Biden was etched in stone.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:11 pm to League Champs
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In no way, shape, or form is the law going to uphold openly fraudulent activity.
In no way, and in front of no court, will the matter ever once for a second be that simple.
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That simply aint happening in the US Supreme Court.
Why are you so assured that this matter apparently just appears on the SCOTUS docket?
Let’s just assume the Court grants a writ or takes the case and gets to the merits. From where in the Constitution will the Supreme Court derive its power to overturn a federal election? What article and section?
Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:22 pm to Jjdoc
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That is why there is a decertification process.
This is where I keep getting hung up on your argument. Where is this process?
I have never seen any legal authority that suggests that states can take back certification of an election after the winners have taken office. I’m not sure that’s even a rule we would want to be in place, considering the obvious logical extension of it—being that states would have the power to remove federal officials at any time.
If anything, SCOTUS jurisprudence has been crystal clear that once a POTUS or member of Congress takes their seat/office, the ONLY way to remove them is what is in the Constitution or related legislation.
That the states were duped (allegedly—I would argue they are not capable of being duped. It’s their authority and their prerogative to secure their own election. If they frick up—they, the state, has to lie in that bed of shite) is not relevant to the determination of whether POTUS can be removed.
This isn’t a normal transaction or contract that is ordinarily made invalid by fraud. These are procedures specifically described in the constitution. SCOTUS does not just set that aside.
This is on Congress to fix. They can change what’s written.
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