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re: If PA, GA, AZ all confirm voter fraud, then Biden did not legally get to the magic 270 EV
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:03 pm to League Champs
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:03 pm to League Champs
most likely outcome - all hell breaks loose.
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:03 pm to The Maj
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You might want to read what you typed again... there are other mechanisms for removal from office, whether they are distasteful to you or not...
Not saying that would happen, just that your assertion that there is not a mechanism available is not entirely true...
Your gotcha is that violent overthrow of the government is available? Sure, that can happen too. But that isn't what we are discussing here.
Everything in this thread is presumably being discussed within the framework of the Constitution.
If we're going to throw that out, then yea all hell can break loose.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:05 pm to Indefatigable
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There is no other mechanism to remove members of Congress. There just isn't, and there cannot be without amending the Constitution.
No need to amend the Constitution. The mechanism for removal is already accounted for. It’s called the Second Amendment.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:06 pm to League Champs
Sounds great. Not gonna change anything
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:07 pm to Indefatigable
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Your gotcha is that violent overthrow of the government is available?
Not really a gothca, more of an observation... When a government is formed outside of the law, why would you expect those governed to remain beholden to the law in response?
Why do you constrain it to a document that has been ignored in the formation of the current government if there was indeed proven fraud?
Again, not saying it would happen, just an observation on your inability to admit that the option does indeed exist...
Nice edit above BTW...
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:07 pm to NotoriousFSU
The depressing gray area is, if fraud, who enforces removal from office?
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:08 pm to League Champs
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This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:08 pm to The Maj
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Why do you constrain it to a document that has been ignored in the formation of the current government if there was indeed proven fraud?
Because the OP posed his question/thread within the specific framework of the Constitution...
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:09 pm to Indefatigable
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There is no other mechanism to remove members of Congress.
So if someone deposits $306K into a bank, and its later determined that $47K is counterfeit, he gets to keep it?
You cannot certify votes that don't exist. The Supremes would start kicking people out, if they didn't resign, once proven.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:10 pm to JawjaTigah
In a just world, Congress as a whole demands they both step down or at the very least refuse to do anything but the bare minimum.
The republic can’t stand with leaders that cheated.
The republic can’t stand with leaders that cheated.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:11 pm to League Champs
nothing will happen, we all know it. Biden is already sworn in he would have to be impeached and there will never be 67 votes for an impeachment.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:11 pm to Indefatigable
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Because the OP posed his question/thread within the specific framework of the Constitution...
Oh, so you are a "stay in the box at all costs" type of guy... got it...
So, in your opinion if fraud did indeed occur and was proven beyond a reasonable doubt, any option should only be reserved to what is allowed within the Constitution and only what is allowed in the Constitution?
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:12 pm to Indefatigable
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The election is over.
The election is not over. The votes were never legally counted. If fraud is proven, then (R) will just start dumping votes into swing states, because there is no way to stop them, according to your logic.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:15 pm to roadGator
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The republic can’t stand with leaders that cheated.
Not to mention, other world leaders wouldn't recognize them as legitimate. A lot still don't.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:16 pm to The Maj
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Oh, so you are a "stay in the box at all costs" type of guy... got it...
I happen to like the Constitution and the rule of law generally, so yes.
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So, in your opinion if fraud did indeed occur and was proven beyond a reasonable doubt, any option should only be reserved to what is allowed within the Constitution and only what is allowed in the Constitution?
Correct. I don't see any other way to do it without overthrowing and/or fatally undermining our system of government.
Going forward, addressing this situation has to be a top priority for Congress and the states in order to avoid this situation from occurring in the future.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:17 pm to roadGator
quote:In The Declaration of Independence, it says…
The republic can’t stand with leaders that cheated.
quote:This would suggest that at such point, all bets are off. If Congress and SCOTUS refuse to act, then it falls to…
“But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security. “
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:17 pm to League Champs
I think it will be like a football team who wins the national championship after paying players. Years later, when the NCAA finds out about it, they strip them of the title after the fact, but it doesn't really change anything. They don't re-play the game.... They may remove Biden from the history books as "President"....or put an asterisk by his name, but they are not going to go back and re-do the election, and they are not going to automatically undo every crappy policy he has put into place, or re-instate the good policies he has removed. (Congress will have to re-vote on new bills etc...). I wish they would remove him and re-instate Trump.....but they won't.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:18 pm to League Champs
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If fraud is proven, then (R) will just start dumping votes into swing states, because there is no way to stop them, according to your logic.
Wait what?
My logic is that it was all over the minute Biden took the oath of office, and the members of congress were sworn in. After that happened, what's in the Constitution rules the day as far as removal of those individuals/office holders.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:19 pm to The Maj
FWIW:
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/435/957/1424690/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-happens-if-the-election-was-a-fraud-the-constitution-doesnt-say/
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In 1976, a District Court in New York heard a case alleging voter fraud in several urban locations. The court’s opinion maintained that federal courts had a role to play in ensuring free and fair presidential elections, arguing: “It is difficult to imagine a more damaging blow to public confidence in the electoral process than the election of a President whose margin of victory was provided by fraudulent registration or voting, ballot-stuffing or other illegal means.” This assertion challenged the idea that presidential elections occupy a special category beyond such court remedies. However, in this case, the court didn’t find sufficient evidence that voter fraud had altered the outcome, or even occurred at all. As a result, its claims about presidential elections were not evaluated by higher courts and have never really been tested.
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/435/957/1424690/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-happens-if-the-election-was-a-fraud-the-constitution-doesnt-say/
Posted on 6/9/21 at 2:20 pm to Indefatigable
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I happen to like the Constitution and the rule of law generally, so yes.
That is great, I like it too... However, if fraud is proven to have occurred, then the Constitution was ignored to start with as well as the rule of law generally...
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I don't see any other way to do it without overthrowing and/or fatally undermining our system of government
So, you don't see the fraud, if proven, as undermining our system of government? Just a "oops, lets not let this happen again" type of thing to you?
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