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If one San Francisco politician gets her way, even robots will have to pay taxes

Posted on 10/8/17 at 12:49 pm
Posted by Street Hawk
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 10/8/17 at 12:49 pm
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If a worker loses a job to a robot, who pays the city and state tax revenue that the formerly employed worker paid in? Right now, nobody does.
That's where the idea of a "robot tax" comes in.

In an interview with Quartz earlier this year, Microsoft co-founder and billionaire Bill Gates said he believes governments should tax companies' use of robots. It's an idea one San Francisco politician is now trying to advance to the next level.

"I think automation is a good thing," San Francisco Board of Supervisors member Jane Kim told CNBC's "On the Money" in an interview, "but there will be a downside to this technological progress and workers will be left behind."

To try to combat that, Kim has created a committee called the "Jobs of the Future Fund."

"We're exploring continuing the payroll tax and extending it to robots that perform jobs humans currently do," Kim explains. Companies would pay into a fund, the same payroll tax and social security the replaced worker was due.

Kim told CNBC that the goal "is to help smooth this transition, help workers that are displaced by their jobs re-educate and retrain."

She added that the money could be used to train workers for future jobs, provide free community college, and "invest in creating meaningful and high wage jobs in industries that are currently hard to automate like child care workers, which is currently a poverty profession."

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Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 12:50 pm to
Maybe she's ahead of her time. That will in all likelihood become an issue one day.
Posted by SlapahoeTribe
Tiger Nation
Member since Jul 2012
12079 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 12:53 pm to
Was there not a tax on the sale of the robot? Do you not tax the profits of the business?
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69251 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 12:53 pm to
We are literally the only sentient beings in the universe who fear technological change.
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 12:54 pm to
quote:

"We're exploring continuing the payroll tax and extending it to robots that perform jobs humans currently do," Kim explains. Companies would pay into a fund, the same payroll tax and social security the replaced worker was due.


It is OK if an individual looses his job just so the State doesn't loose money, yeah this is crazy, really crazy
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 10/8/17 at 12:54 pm to
They might get mad.

Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64590 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 12:55 pm to
3/5ths of a human
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

We are literally the only sentient beings in the universe who fear technological change.


I don't see how you can conclusively say that.

But in 20 or so years, we will no longer be the only or even most intelligent species on this planet. We do have to start planning for it. It is inevitable bar nuclear holocaust or an asteroid.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 10/8/17 at 12:59 pm to
Neither Corporations nor machines nor property ever pay taxes.

Only people pay taxes.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57091 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 1:02 pm to
quote:

In an interview with Quartz earlier this year, Microsoft co-founder and billionaire Bill Gates said he believes governments should tax companies' use of robots. It's an idea one San Francisco politician is now trying to advance to the next level.
I always laugh when Democrats talk about how “the rich” are greedy. What’s more greedy than this idea? I honestly cannot think of anything that tops it.

To borrow from Barry “at some point, haven’t you taxed enough already?”
This post was edited on 10/8/17 at 1:04 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 1:03 pm to
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Only people pay taxes.


As I said, that is probably going to change in the foreseeable future.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57091 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 1:04 pm to
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As I said, that is probably going to change in the foreseeable future.
repeating it won’t rehabilitate it.
This post was edited on 10/8/17 at 1:05 pm
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 1:14 pm to
Was previously proposed.

Not unique to this person.

Long term issue.
Automation continues to reduce need for humans, while reactionaries fight against birth control.
No trumpkins address it.

Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64590 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 1:19 pm to
People are to enjoy life, while

Robots are to do work.

Get on board.

Pay taxes with less payroll. Everybody wins.
Posted by SelaTiger
Member since Aug 2016
17920 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 2:12 pm to
But what about illegals?
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 2:54 pm to
So this is only relevant for machines that look human in shape?

What about the machines that have been welding and putting together cars and all sorts of things for years? They don't look "human" so are they still okay?

This is fricking stupid. What machinery is a "robot" and what isn't? What about the self checkouts at Walmart? Are those "robots"? They are doing what a human used to.

The revenue is taxed already.
Posted by subotic
Member since Dec 2012
2354 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 2:59 pm to
quote:

We are literally the only sentient beings in the universe who fear technological change.


Literally, you cannot know that.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26659 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 3:03 pm to
Yea, guess what "robots" have put more people out of work than any other and have been around more than 100 years?

Tractors.

We taxing tractors as people now?

This whole automation thing is not new.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
98739 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 3:04 pm to
Have modern Democrats ever had an idea that didn't involve more taxes?
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 10/8/17 at 3:06 pm to
What's next, robot rights? I remember an episode of Star Trek Voyager where the characters literally argued for holograms to have civil rights... holograms... /facepalm
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