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re: If local request unnecessary, why didn't Trump deploy National Guard earlier on J6?
Posted on 6/9/25 at 11:08 am to Rip Torn
Posted on 6/9/25 at 11:08 am to Rip Torn
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Ivory and Power are really having a difficult time convincing others of their obvious conservatism
Bite me. It's a very conservative position to be in favor of the 10th Amendment.
In this particular thread, I was just curious why the differences between J6 and California. I think they have been addressed.
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 11:13 am to IvoryBillMatt
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If local request unnecessary, why didn't Trump deploy National Guard earlier on J6?
Order of events?
The most basic logic failures of people on the left is quite amazing.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 11:16 am to cajunangelle
This…
He didn’t suggest it he ORDERED it directly to Milley (per Milley’s own testimony). Milley decided it would look bad and disobeyed a direct order from a superior in his chain of command and did something else.
This one ain’t on Trump.
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He did. He ordered it days before. The Pentagon said NO, it wasn't a good look having any type of military. Patel has verbally and physically shown documentation of this.
He didn’t suggest it he ORDERED it directly to Milley (per Milley’s own testimony). Milley decided it would look bad and disobeyed a direct order from a superior in his chain of command and did something else.
This one ain’t on Trump.
This post was edited on 6/9/25 at 11:17 am
Posted on 6/9/25 at 11:18 am to IvoryBillMatt
On January 6, 2021, ordered was restored within a matter of hours. There was no need to deploy the guard.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 11:33 am to eitek1
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He didn’t suggest it he ORDERED it directly to Milley (per Milley’s own testimony). Milley decided it would look bad and disobeyed a direct order from a superior in his chain of command and did something else.
This one ain’t on Trump.
THIS makes more sense and is coherent with the President's actual authority. I was just wondering why the "because they didn't request NG" was relevant re J6, if Newsome also didn't request federalization of the California National Guard.
I know most of y'all have no more curiosity than "does this make Trump look good?," but I appreciated the discussion. Trump is the greatest president of my lifetime regardless of the answer to my question....which doesn't paint Trump in a negative light at all.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 11:33 am to IvoryBillMatt
Yes, they are under Trump, but I think that with the protocols of the other 50 States, where they fall under the Governors, asking or offering their assistance is the way its normally done. I think Trump was just following those protocols rather than just ruling with an iron fist and sending them in.
In Newsomes case, he's directly defying Federal Law.
In Newsomes case, he's directly defying Federal Law.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 11:36 am to scottydoesntknow
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We are not violent like you child groomers
I'm a child groomer for asking a question? I'm completely for Trump using the National Guard in California. I was just curious about the dynamics of it compared to J6. I agree completely with the J6 protestors about the election being stolen.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 11:37 am to IvoryBillMatt
quote:District of Columbia is not a state. It is a special district under the purview of the legislative branchy of the US.
What am I missing? The President said he offered to provide Guard troops a few days prior to J6, but the Mayor and Capitol Hill leadership declined. The deployment in California of the National Guard over Newsome's objection shows that the President has the power to deploy irrespective of what local authorities think.
That way no state, or President, can affect the 'sanctuary' of that land.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 11:40 am to IvoryBillMatt
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IvoryBillMatt
This isn’t the own you think it is.
In Trump’s first term, his advisers all told him he needed state approval to send in the national guard, and that it would be an unprecedented action to federalize the guard without support from a state governor.
In his second term, Trump has a cabinet and advisors working with him who recognize that the dems want riots and that the guard should be called up immediately before a situation gets out of hand.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 11:41 am to Barbados
Because the question was asked and I wasn’t sure, what or who gives Pelosi the authority to deny or request national guard security? I understand the mayor but not sure where pelosi fits except for she’s speaker of the house and it’s congress.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 11:44 am to Riverside
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This isn’t the own you think it is.
I don't think it's an own!
I support Trump and was genuinely curious. I think the best answer is that he DID order the National Guard to be pre-deployed on J6, but that traitor General Milley ignored Trump's order.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 11:47 am to GeauxtigersMs36
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Because the question was asked and I wasn’t sure, what or who gives Pelosi the authority to deny or request national guard security? I understand the mayor but not sure where pelosi fits except for she’s speaker of the house and it’s congress.
There's a suggestion that the Capitol grounds are ordinarily under the control of Congress and that maybe that made a difference. I've spent too much time on this thread already to look it up.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 11:48 am to IvoryBillMatt
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I support Trump and was genuinely curious.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 11:50 am to IvoryBillMatt
Why was Kennedy able to Nationalize the Guard in Mississippi and Alabama to enforce Federal law?
Why was Johnson able to Nationalize the guard in 1967
Why was Bush Jr able to Nationalize the Guard during the LA riots in 1992?
As to your question about Trump?
He recommended using the guard on January 5 and 6 in DC
But once the Capitol was breached it was over in a few hours so there was no need to Nationalize them.
Why was Johnson able to Nationalize the guard in 1967
Why was Bush Jr able to Nationalize the Guard during the LA riots in 1992?
As to your question about Trump?
He recommended using the guard on January 5 and 6 in DC
But once the Capitol was breached it was over in a few hours so there was no need to Nationalize them.
This post was edited on 6/9/25 at 11:58 am
Posted on 6/9/25 at 11:53 am to IvoryBillMatt
That whole thing started and ended within what? 3 hrs? Not a lot of time to plan or execute anything.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 11:54 am to Loserman
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Why was Kennedy able to Nationalize the Guard in Mississippi and Alabama to enforce Federal law?
For the same reasons Trump was able to nationalize the Guard in California. I was just curious about why he didn't use the same authority to pre-deploy NG on J6.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 11:57 am to CarRamrod
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you are not very good with timelines are you....
I hate replies like this.
If you can’t reply with substance, just use snark and insults.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 11:57 am to I20goon
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District of Columbia is not a state. It is a special district under the purview of the legislative branchy of the US.
That way no state, or President, can affect the 'sanctuary' of that land.
The President is Commander in Chief of the DC National Guard.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 12:02 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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For the same reasons Trump was able to nationalize the Guard in California. I was just curious about why he didn't use the same authority to pre-deploy NG on J6.
As to your question about Trump?
He recommended using the guard on January 5 and 6 in DC
But once the Capitol was breached it was over in a few hours so there was no need to Nationalize them since the rioters/protestors had already gone home.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 12:06 pm to 4cubbies
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Emotions have been running extremely high around here for quite some time
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My take is that Donald Trump basically organized and endorsed J6, so he did not want to crash his own party.
Seems you are correct
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