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Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:21 am to 4cubbies
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My take is that Donald Trump basically organized and endorsed J6, so he did not want to crash his own party.
Moronic.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:23 am to jimmy the leg
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I find your ignorance to be quite stunning
By all means though, please continue to “ask questions” that are solely designed to frame a false narrative.
What narrative...much less false a false one am I trying to frame??? President Trump’s explanation for WHY National Guard troops weren't deployed in advance made sense: he wasn't asked. But, if he wasn't asked in California then that doesn't make sense legally.
If the explanation from the President is "I thought the Mayor and Capitol Leadership knew what they were doing and had the securiry situation covered," that makes sense practically.
Again, I genuinely don't know what the distinction is. That's why I'm asking the question.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:25 am to IvoryBillMatt
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What am I missing? The President said he offered to provide Guard troops a few days prior to J6, but the Mayor and Capitol Hill leadership declined. The deployment in California of the National Guard over Newsome's objection shows that the President has the power to deploy irrespective of what local authorities think.
What is so hard to understand? In this instance nor in the J6 instance were the national guard preemptively deployed. Once things got out of hand, the national guard were deployed, in both instances. As it turns out, on J6, the Capitol was cleared by the time they arrived. So in fact, they weren't needed at all.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:25 am to Barbados
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Didn't Pelosi turn it down
She did. So would have Newsome...but President Trump didn't even ask him, because he knew he had the authority. So, why didn't he do that on J6?
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:28 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
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So in fact, they weren't needed at all.
The President had the sense to know that hundreds of thousands of his supporters would turn out for his speech on J6 and that that number would provide a challenge for crowd control.
I'm not looking for some motive here...I am trying to understand the law.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:29 am to IvoryBillMatt
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deploy the Guard in advance for crowd control on J6? Why did he need anyone's request?
Big difference in deploying for January 6 and what you are seeing now in a multi-day situation...
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:30 am to IvoryBillMatt
Because you're a retard. Trump is deploying the guard because the governor won't enforce laws as crimes are being committed. Trump's J6 offer was prior to any protest, violent or otherwise. When it did become violent, he deployed them with no resistance from Pelosi or CP.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:30 am to IvoryBillMatt
quote:doesn't sound very much like Hitler.
If the President can use his own judgment without local input (which is obviously true, Eisenhower/Little Rock, etc), why didn't President Trump go ahead and deploy the Guard in advance for crowd control on J6? Why did he need anyone's request?
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:31 am to IvoryBillMatt
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If the explanation from the President is "I thought the Mayor and Capitol Leadership knew what they were doing and had the securiry situation covered," that makes sense practically.
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You are comparing one act that would have been preemptive, to one that was re-active. Your question on its face is disingenuous.
The two scenarios are not the same. You know this.
You seem to be promoting a false equivalency in order to promote a narrative (via “questioning “).
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:31 am to IvoryBillMatt
I do not know. But my guess is that something like this plays a role:
L.A. and California are clearly under the jurisdiction of the U.S. - Executive branch law enforcement operate freely in the area. While ordering the National Guard to act under the authority of the POTUS is rare, it is at least operating in areas that the Executive has jurisdiction.
That is not the case with the Capitol. The Capitol is governed exclusively by the Legislative branch. Its security is completely under the control of the Legislature with no input at all from the Executive or Executive branch agencies.
Granted, I do think in times of civil unrest the President could order National Guard, Marines, whatever to police the Capitol - but the fact that it is under Legislative control and not Executive adds another layer to the situation. not to mention, as has been mentioned - he was offering the NG to Pelosi as a protective measure - civil unrest had not begun.
L.A. and California are clearly under the jurisdiction of the U.S. - Executive branch law enforcement operate freely in the area. While ordering the National Guard to act under the authority of the POTUS is rare, it is at least operating in areas that the Executive has jurisdiction.
That is not the case with the Capitol. The Capitol is governed exclusively by the Legislative branch. Its security is completely under the control of the Legislature with no input at all from the Executive or Executive branch agencies.
Granted, I do think in times of civil unrest the President could order National Guard, Marines, whatever to police the Capitol - but the fact that it is under Legislative control and not Executive adds another layer to the situation. not to mention, as has been mentioned - he was offering the NG to Pelosi as a protective measure - civil unrest had not begun.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:32 am to IvoryBillMatt
The president controls the DC National Guard but he doesn’t control the Capitol building/complex (Congress does) nor the Capitol Police. If he wants to deploy the DC National Guard to protect the Capitol, Congress (or, rather, their leaders) and the Capitol Police need to approve.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:33 am to The Maj
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Big difference in deploying for January 6 and what you are seeing now in a multi-day situation...
He knows that.
That’s why is question is moot.
It’s a question designed to promote a false equivalency, and in doing so…promote a false narrative (Trump is at fault).
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:34 am to Deuces
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Kash Patel showed written proof in court that Nancy Pelosi and the DC mayor rejected the National Guard days before J6.
So if Nancy Pelosi had ultimate authority to reject the Guard, why didn't Newsome???
The National Guard is ordinarily NOT under the command of the President. He has to federalize it, and that is only permitted in certain circumstances.
If Pelosi could reject National Guard assistance from the President, why wouldn't Newsome be allowed?
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:35 am to IvoryBillMatt
He did. He ordered it days before. The Pentagon said NO, it wasn't a good look having any type of military. Patel has verbally and physically shown documentation of this.
This thread is a waste of time.
This thread is a waste of time.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:36 am to IvoryBillMatt
quote:Again, he has deployed them in LA after the riots started and as a result of CA's unwillingness or incapability to enforce the law.
The President had the sense to know that hundreds of thousands of his supporters would turn out for his speech on J6 and that that number would provide a challenge for crowd control.
At the time Trump offered guard troops on J6, no protest was even happening yet, so there were no unenforced crimes to respond to.
Do you and the miserable fat chick get it now? Can we move on now?
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:37 am to IvoryBillMatt
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If local request unnecessary, why didn't Trump deploy National Guard earlier on J6?
How long did J6 last? How long is this actual insurrection lasting? Think real hard.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:37 am to IvoryBillMatt
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only permitted in certain circumstances.
The President can Federalize the NG under more circumstances than you think, he just has to pay for it with Federal funds... How do you think all those NG units were deployed in the GWOT?
You attempts at a gotcha just ain't working out for you...
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:38 am to IvoryBillMatt
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So if Nancy Pelosi had ultimate authority to reject the Guard, why didn't Newsome???
Pelosi and the DC Mayor turned down the Guard.
Last time I checked…DC didn’t have a governor.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:38 am to jimmy the leg
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It’s a question designed to promote a false equivalency, and in doing so…promote a false narrative (Trump is at fault).
I have had enough of you nitwits. I think planted agents were primarily responsible for J6. I don't think President Trump had any culpability.
I am just trying to understand the difference legally. The President thought National Guard troops were necessary for J6 in advance. I am just trying to understand why he didn't know he had the authority to deploy National Guard troops in advance on J6 IRRESPECTIVE of what anyone else thought.
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