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re: If Jimmy Carter would have met Force with Force when our Embassy was taken?
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:20 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:20 pm to AggieHank86
If Carter was a woman he would believe you when you said just the tip
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Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:26 pm to LuckyTiger
From a guy who knew Jimmy, he said he brought in his boys from GA who knew little or nothing about DC. He also said he was extremely gullible and believed everything people told him. His decisions and policies were based on the advice the last people that talk to him gave him.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:27 pm to Rebel
The biggest diffence is we would not have lubed up for their cross gulf Wahhabist rivals and turned a blind eye to their spread of poison throughout the world.
No Iraq war hence no 9-11 or any of the associated BS like AlQueda, ISIS, and millions would still be alive.
However not proping up the Shah by Nixon would have had the same effect.
We tipped the balance of power to our liking and are now facing the blowback but will never learn.
No Iraq war hence no 9-11 or any of the associated BS like AlQueda, ISIS, and millions would still be alive.
However not proping up the Shah by Nixon would have had the same effect.
We tipped the balance of power to our liking and are now facing the blowback but will never learn.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:27 pm to goatmilker
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Sub nukker
He was a Sub Nukker??
Kewl!!
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:29 pm to I B Freeman
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I never thought him very smart.
I agree.
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He was more of a political hard worker
You know who else was a political hard worker?
Hitler.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:30 pm to AggieHank86
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Top ten percent at a pretty decent school
Hall Monitor??
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:31 pm to Dale51
People still mix up intelligence with wisdom concerning Jimmy lol.
Jimmy was very smart but a idealist with zero political wisdom.
Jimmy was very smart but a idealist with zero political wisdom.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:32 pm to goatmilker
quote:Agreed.
People still mix up intelligence with wisdom concerning Jimmy lol.
Jimmy was very smart but a idealist with zero political wisdom.
The funny thing is that his political instincts were reasonably-effective in Georgia, but much less so in DC. Odd.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:32 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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That was a tough situation. I don't know what was the right call.
The right call would be not to let it go on for over a fricking year
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:39 pm to AggieHank86
quote:As I recall, most of his inner circle were DC outsiders too. No one had a clue as to how to navigate the maze that is Washington DC; Bert Lance being a good example.
The funny thing is that his political instincts were reasonably-effective in Georgia, but much less so in DC. Odd.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:44 pm to Diamondawg
I went to wiki earlier to read up on the Shah, and came across this about Carter.
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The Shah suffered from gallstones that would require prompt surgery. He was offered treatment in Switzerland, but insisted on treatment in the United States. President Carter did not wish to admit Mohammad Reza to the U.S. but came under pressure from many quarters, with Henry Kissinger phoning Carter to say he would not endorse the SALT II treaty that Carter had just signed with the Soviet Union unless the former Shah was allowed into the United States, reportedly prompting Carter more than once to hang up his phone in rage in the Oval Office and shout "frick the Shah!".
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:46 pm to Rebel
It's the only reason God has let him live for so long. To live his remaining years in a suffering hell.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:53 pm to tketaco
Worst president in US history - not even close.
Greatest accomplishment was giving us Ronnie
Greatest accomplishment was giving us Ronnie
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:53 pm to Rebel
The revolution was part Soviet and part Mullah action. Mullahs came out on top. It really wasn't anything new and Carter could have aided to cut that off before it happened. As we know now, Jimmah was all about being a cuck to the Commies.
This post was edited on 1/4/20 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:17 pm to CitizenK
Jimmy got elected because of Ford pardoning Nixon. He was the worst president in our history until Obama got elected. Obama was a traitor, Jimma was just gullible and so ill prepared that it is isn’t even funny. I had a 13.5% first mortgage under Jimma. He ruined more businesses including multiple car dealerships than one can imagine.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:23 pm to dovehunter
Ford pardoning Nixon had zero to do with the pubs losing the election.
See:
Vietnam
Hippies
LBJ
Watergate
We seem to not like any party holding on to the high office for long.
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See:
Vietnam
Hippies
LBJ
Watergate
We seem to not like any party holding on to the high office for long.
More...
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:23 pm to dovehunter
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He was the worst president in our history until Obama got elected.
that is not true at all.
Carter got very little accomplished.
LBJ on the other hand gave us 50,000 troops dead in a war he didn't think he could win but would not stop it and created generations of poor who know only entitlements as a way to live with his War on Poverty.
LBJ is the worst since FDR and that is not even close.
This post was edited on 1/4/20 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:24 pm to BamaRidger
There is a lot of truth to that.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:29 pm to dovehunter
No shite. Still a cuck to the Commies
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:30 pm to makinskrilla
I really don't think Kohmeini had a lot control over the students that did the kidnapping. It took a few years from them to really get control of all of the power in Iran.
Carter should have acted much faster and we really should have worked hard to keep our economic ties so that we would still have some influence there.
Embargoes and withdrawing diplomats rarely work for us. Look at Cuba, North Korea and Venezuela. The kooks that run those countries use the US as the fall guy for their every shortcoming. I doubt very seriously the Castros would still be in power if we had continued to trade with Cuba.
Carter should have acted much faster and we really should have worked hard to keep our economic ties so that we would still have some influence there.
Embargoes and withdrawing diplomats rarely work for us. Look at Cuba, North Korea and Venezuela. The kooks that run those countries use the US as the fall guy for their every shortcoming. I doubt very seriously the Castros would still be in power if we had continued to trade with Cuba.
This post was edited on 1/4/20 at 9:31 pm
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