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re: If Gender Is Changeable, Why Not Race? Matt Walsh
Race is drastically more malleable than gender.



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re: If Gender Is Changeable, Why Not Race? Matt Walsh
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Stop letting others dictate how you think


That's a sin if the person is a priest or a catholic school teacher. I know because a priest told our sophomore level religion class disobeying the teachings of a priest is a sin before god. In 2001.

Also, converting away from Catholic? Hell
Divorce? Can't get communion. Double hell
fricked your girlfriend/boyfriend before a priest gives the OK? Hell
Condoms? Hell
Pulling out? Hell
Vasectomy? Hell
Eat a burger on a Friday during a super arbitrary part of the year? Hell

Everything sends you to hell.... UNLESS you go tell that guy in the dark booth what a not bad but bad person you are, then he alone decides whether god forgives you or not. How that is seen as anything but intimidation and peddling fear to control people in small rural communities is beyond me.


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re: If Gender Is Changeable, Why Not Race? Matt Walsh
Keep reasoning your way toward the truth

Keep eliminating the bad, fine, and don't jump to any conclusions

Jumping to conclusions is a mistake


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re: If Gender Is Changeable, Why Not Race? Matt Walsh
This is how progressive madness ends, it dies from its own absurdity.


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I'm aware that the man Jesus of Nazareth existed. However, I have never seen any concrete evidence of any of the miracles he was said to perform.
Many serious historians (skeptics and atheists) even attest to the biblical narrative of the resurrection, from the empty tomb of Joseph of Arimathea to the witnesses of the resurrection to willingness for Jesus' apostles to die for their belief in His resurrection which they didn't actually believe at first, the issue boils down to theological or philosophical issues rather than historical ones.

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I also find it convenient that all the cool magical shite happened thousands of years ago so no way to prove it.
What do you expect from events that purport to have happened in history when there wasn't a way to record it unless it was written down (like the Bible)? It's not a matter of convenience but inconvenience for you, who apparently want the miracles to be repeated for every generation throughout time so that everyone can see with their own eyes. The "cool magical" stuff happened in order to prove the authenticity of Christ's message as messiah. The eye-witness accounts are meant to be the very evidence to support the claims that weren't captured on youtube 2,000 years ago.

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Hearsay from a book written and re-written and re-translated numerous times over a 2k year period doesn't count from me personally unless there is a religion that is willing to include all the proper books of the bible.
When the books of the New Testament were written, there were people still alive who could have disputed the claims. It's not like Christianity arose in a vacuum where no one knew what was being taught. These very things were taught to Jews in their very own synagogues by Christians in Israel. The Bible itself attests to the hundreds and thousands of witnesses to these things. In other words, the ministry of Christ and His apostles was public for everyone to see. It wasn't a private revelation (like with Joseph Smith) where everyone was asked to just trust that what was said to have happened without any way to verify the message. Even recording women as the first people to see Jesus after the resurrection lends credibility to the narrative since the testimony of women wasn't considered credible in a legal context back then; there was no reason to include that detail if the point was to convince people of a lie.

In terms of the the transmission and translation of the Bible, we have manuscript evidence of the authenticity of the Bible from within decades of when the events occurred. We have thousands of manuscripts that span the first couple hundred years giving incredible reliability to the texts. For comparison, there is little doubt that the works of Plato are preserved for us, yet the earliest extant manuscript we have comes nearly 1,000 years after when it was written. Even the most skeptical Bible scholars recognize that the Bible is incredibly intact and preserved. The differences in manuscripts that we do have show mostly minor differences, such as typographical errors (like teh instead of the), or changes in word order. Where substantial differences exist, they are typically included in footnotes in most major translations, and none change theological understanding.

The translations are not translations from translations, either. The manuscripts in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic are what are used to create almost all modern translations. If you don't trust a particular translation, you can reference the original languages yourself, either by learning them or using countless tools to help with that task.

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I had an easier time believing in Santa and the Tooth Fairy as a kid because there was "evidence" presented to me (i still never do remember a time believing in 'magic'). God was just something my parents dragged me to so I could stare at my feet for an hour while some dude on stage talked about whateverthefrick. Bes day of my young life was confirmation when my parents declared they didn't have to make me go to Church any more.
I'm sorry you were so woefully instructed in the faith but that doesn't mean your experience represents the reality of what's available.

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Don't get it mixed up here either. I want to believe, just haven't seen anything that would convince me that I'm not just wasting energy worrying over or praying to some being who ostensibly loves us endlessly, but won't stop letting sons stop dying for the sins of their fathers. If he exists, he doesn't care as much as we have been told, or a lot of dead innocents wouldn't be. Figured that part out at 14 carrying a 15year old family member to his resting place. God ain't gonna help you, we're on our own down here from what I can tell. If he exists, I didn't want to ever have anything to do with him. That feeling really hasn't changed.
I'm sorry to say but what you believe about God as expressed in this statement is not what the Bible teaches about God. It seems you have a misunderstanding. You seem to think people are innocent before God and that God is some tyrant who forces those innocent people to disobey Him. We aren't innocent. Our natural state is enmity and rebellion against Him. Look at you: you have heard about this God and yet you still don't want to obey Him. Those who haven't heard of Him but have seen what He's done in creation create their own gods rather than worship Him. Many people make themselves a god and arbiter of truth rather than seek after the one, true God. Everyone rebels. Few repent.

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I have never felt his presence or whatever the hell real believers say, but I have buried a perfectly innocent child, and I still feel the presence of that pain every day. I learned all I needed to know about God pretty early in life, and the last 12-13 haven't really given me reason to change that attitude much while losing so much more.
You feel the pain of loss for loved ones because you recognize their value and worth. You realize what God has told us: that people are made in His image and with value and worth that exist outside of what we personally think of someone. This value and worth do exist and it's natural for you to grieve the loss of those whom you love. Their deaths, as are the deaths of every person, are a reminder of our separation from God by sin and our need for redemption.

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Blame all tragedy on sin if you must, but consider the fact that God created sin just as easily as he created you. God created everything, which includes evil and sin. His all powerful omnipotence either has limits, or he sets limits to his own power. Letting a kid get raped and die of AIDS in africa being one of his cooler repeat tricks over the last few decades. He really plays the hits. I say all this in jest, but it does affect my ability to accept god. Pretty much I look at it like this: If god exists, he is kind of an a-hole.
You seem to take responsibility away from the people who are doing this evil. Hell exists because sin exists. God did not create sin; He created the person who commits the sin and then punishes them for their rebellion against Him.

The problem with the problem of evil is that it's only a "problem" if God exists. If God does not exist, then evil doesn't exist, at least not objectively. What one purposeless homo sapien does to another is devoid of true meaning and judgment if there is no objective source of morality. When a child is raped or killed, that has meaning because the victims are image-bearers of God with value and those who do harm to that child have violated God's objective moral law. We have God's standard to identify sin and to condemn it as such, but if there is no God, there is no standard to identify what is truly good and truly evil, and we have no basis for condemning it as such.


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Which God and which unchanging truth?
Jehovah, Yahweh, Jesus, etc.; the God of the Bible. The truth is the the revealed word of that God, which is a revelation of who God is, who we are, and our relationship to Himself and one another.

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It has been suggested that there have been 10000 or more Gods worshipped by mankind in the last 7000 years alone. God knows how many more in the rest of the 190,000 years man has been on earth. Presuming that Christians reject all other God's, one that has only been around about 2500 years or so, what's the difference between a devout Christian and a devout Atheist? One more god rejected. That is all. One more out of 10000 or so in the last 7000 years. This is what would be known as statistically insignificant.
Just because there are many wrong answers doesn't mean there isn't one right answer. Rejecting that 2+2=4 because there are an infinite number of other answers that aren't correct for that equation is silliness. "I'm just rejecting one more number than you".

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Loads of folks existed before the Christian God...way more than have ever worshiped the Christian God...so which God's unchanging truth are we talking about, one that has only been around a short period of time...a mere babe in the woods compared to those which have been around for 200000 years??? Surely no one really buys that tripe, do they???
Are you suggesting that the veracity of what a particular religion claims as truth is determined by how old it is?

But more to your point and the common argument that Christianity is younger than other religions: I'd say that isn't correct, at least in a theological sense.

While it's true that Jesus Christ wasn't born as a man and die for the sins of humanity until about 2,000 years ago, what Christians understand as truth is that His birth, ministry, death, and resurrection were a culmination of a plan that was formed before humans were even created. The revelation given to Abraham didn't begin with Abraham. The revelation given to the apostle Paul didn't start with Paul. The truth that was relayed by those men was true long before they lived. Jesus didn't come into being with His incarnation as a man but was existent as one of the three persons of the godhead from eternity past.

All that to say that chronology of revelation doesn't determine when truth began.



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re: If Gender Is Changeable, Why Not Race? Matt Walsh
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FooManChoo


I like you. Offering different views. Makes me think.

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you, who apparently want the miracles to be repeated for every generation throughout time so that everyone can see with their own eyes.


hell fricking yes. I want to know he is there, not have to defy the brain he gave me to believe he exists. Makes no fricking sense. He put us here to suffer and sin and rebel and die. He knew it would happen, being omnipotent/present and all, yet still sent you and me into the shite world that he allowed humanity to ruin, to suffer and die.

Why make the world? Boredom? Ego trip? Smoked some really good cosmic space dust?

If god exists, I'd have preferred he didn't bother making me, because I'd rather not exist than experience what I have on earth while still risking eternal pain. I'd rather take 'nothing but black empty' and never know any better.

The one real constant feeling I have had all my life, when it comes to god and the eternal is: I'd much rather not have been born because I did not choose to come here to be suffer and tempted in sin.

If I could go back to the almighty and just be "deleted" from existence I would happily do so. He could make it to where I never existed, so no one in my family would even be sad. I'd sign that paper in blood right now. No regrets if you don't exist. No pain of losing family because you never had them. Never watch a baby casket get lowered into the ground? Gotcha because neither of you existed in the first place.

I understand that my attitude in the above sentence can be seen as mentally ill. It is. I am. I am not suicidal as I run on responsibility, shame and spite of the being that created me. I have "put the gun down" many many times in my life because I have shite to do here and that fricker up there, if he exists, will have to wait a little longer to send me to hell for not following the rules with the lack of ability to believe that he gave me. I turn it all into motivation to spite the almighty just one more day, because to send me here with a fricked up brain that makes me hate myself then punish me for all eternity for ending it early? I relish that every day.


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"Mere Christianity"

by CS Lewis

If you're scared of the truth, you won't read it


Must not be scared of the truth then because I have read it several times....the first time when I was a pretty young child and, having read some of the Narnia stuff, looking for other writings from Lewis.

You realize that Lewis was writing mainly of a theistic faith, initially, and only at the behest of the publisher included the latter chapters where the Christian God was offered as the supreme being referred to in earlier chapters? It seems the publisher was concerned there was to much risk of negative reception of the book without a clear indication that it wasn't merely a supreme being but was in fact God Lewis was supporting? Strange that the author did not initially mean to refute the absence of the Christian God but of some God somewhere.

Its also interesting that Lewis said of the book, and I am paraphrasing but it is close, that he was an atheist, based on his view of a just world until he realized he did not have a frame of reference for what a just world would actually look like....an idea he attributes to JR Tolkien. I think it is a cop out to not conclude a mortal can not have a view of what a just world looks like...I think all of us has an idea of what that world looks like and only turn to gods when we fail to accept that justice in the chaos of nature is unheard of. As I said, Lewis was casting about for answers in time of wont and settled for magic. Like hundreds of millions of others before him he simply gave up the quest....by his won admission....even in the face of overwhelming proof that nature is indeed chaotic and rhyme and reason has no league with nature....

Good read though, particularly for someone under the age of 15 or so and looking for answers. A lot like Ayn Rand along those lines....


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re: If Gender Is Changeable, Why Not Race? Matt Walsh
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That's a sin if the person is a priest or a catholic school teacher


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Organized religion


I’m legitimately sorry organized religion has turned you so far from Christ.

Jesus literally spent his life fighting organized religion and then him and most of his friends were tortured to death for it.

I am a strong believer in Christ. Christ is not of any one organized religion.

I know more people driven away from Christ by the Catholic Church than brought to him by the same.

Please try to separate Christ and his mercy from the man made perversions of it.

I have no doubt at all that if Jesus were to show up today the Catholic Church would crucify him in the middle of the Vatican.


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Narrow is the way that leads to life, and few find it.

horseshite! The way is narrow because those who told us the truth can’t be gatekeepers if the way is broad. And keeping that gate pays very very well! But just ask yourself this: what kind of a shithead would God be if he created a system whereby an isolated tribesman in the jungles of Africa, who never even heard of Jesus, has to go to hell due to his unfortunate neighborhood?


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I have no doubt at all that if Jesus were to show up today the Catholic Church would crucify him in the middle of the Vatican.


Killing him would be bad PR these days. Depending on how old his human form took, They'd at least give him the ol' 2 knuckle shuffle, which is perfectly acceptable at all levels of government and religion, yet still sends the message that they are in charge. They might not go for full on rape, but Jesus ain't getting out of Rome with his behymen in tact.



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re: If Gender Is Changeable, Why Not Race? Matt Walsh
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Just because there are many wrong answers doesn't mean there isn't one right answer. Rejecting that 2+2=4 because there are an infinite number of other answers that aren't correct for that equation is silliness. "I'm just rejecting one more number than you".


The difference, of course, being that I can physically take two of anything, add two more to it and see irrefutable proof that the result of the equation is 4. This is not an article of faith but a verifiable fact. God is not and anyone looking for or claiming verifiable proof is admitting an absence of faith when all that is required of them by their god is faith....it is much more difficult to believe in something than know a fact....far more admirable. It is much more human....it speaks to an intellectual capacity far superior to one based merely on fact and knowledge. Why Christians argue this point is painfully obvious...they lack the required faith....as only a logical, sane person could.


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re: If Gender Is Changeable, Why Not Race? Matt Walsh
I hope you find your faith in Christ one day man. Don’t give up.


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re: If Gender Is Changeable, Why Not Race? Matt Walsh
I always thought a God who demands that we all believe in him despite the fact that he purposely makes it impossible to verify his existence by any respectable standards, or else he will heartlessly condemn us to suffer eternal damnation, was a sadist, especially when we were given no choice whether to take part in this test. Basically a much less sophisticated and more narcissistic version of Jigsaw from the Saw movies.

But then I watched Jimmy Swaggart, a few years after he got busted with a prostitute for the second time (God told him it was none of our business). And just like that... I was SAVED.

I feel bad for the billions of people alive today, who will rightfully suffer eternal damnation for their failure to not listen to their molesting, er, nurturing priests. I especially feel bad for followers of other non-Christian religions in poor developing/third world countries, many of whom lived in poverty their entire existence, and mainly only had their faith to give them the strength to keep going, only to be granted with much harsher eternal poverty because they chose the wrong side. But, hey, they should’ve listened to their theology teachers when they went to private Catholic school.
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Everything sends you to hell.... UNLESS you go tell that guy in the dark booth what a not bad but bad person you are, then he alone decides whether god forgives you or not. How that is seen as anything but intimidation and peddling fear to control people in small rural communities is beyond me.


Even better, take a road trip through the hill towns of Italy. Pay attention. Every 100 KM or so you will see a massive cathedral built high atop a hill...a palatial thing financed through the blood and labor of the poor people in the valley below. Then try to access one of them. You can't...because they have never been accessible except for the period when they were under construction...then no one set foot in them because getting to them was damned dangerous. Why were they built? So the unwashed masses below would get the message that God was watching them and capable of anything, including building a palace in an inaccessible location. Of course apologists will claim this was done by men to control the masses, and this is true, but they did so knowing there was no God to call them out on this abuse of human ignorance. The only way for organized religion to exist in any form is for there to be no omnipotent being who "loves" mankind...yet many will try to separate the two...


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re: If Gender Is Changeable, Why Not Race? Matt Walsh
Cool, I am changing my name to B Black Coc


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You seem to take responsibility away from the people who are doing this evil.


If god is omnipresent and omnipotent, he knew what would happen because to god, all of time is like looking at a single painting rather than watching a movie. He is the master of time and space, ostensibly, so by that rationale, the responsibility IS on the creator as he knew what each individual would do before they were born.

If you attribute all 'good' to God, then you must attribute all 'bad' to him as well, because if he is the only being out there, and he created everything, then he also created sin & evil. Being the master of space and time also means he knew your every move before. Thus if you were going to murder someone, he won't stop it. Sounds like 'love' to you?

If you say god can't stop evil, then he is not omnipotent as we have been told. If he is omnipotent, then he is rationing his supposedly endless power while your kid dies in a hospital. I don't want anything to do with an almighty who doesn't bother to try and stop the evil that he created.

From what I have been taught, he already knows if I am going to heaven or hell, so why even give a shite. I've wanted off this fricking ride since I was a kid, but I'm too stubborn to give that a-hole the satisfaction of creating me knowing I was going to suffer for all eternity. I'll let him wait just a bit longer.
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So there's about a billion Hindus going to hell by your logic here for example.


Yes. The Hindus are going to Christian hell. They are also going to jew hell, Islam hell, hades, Norse hell, Roman hell, Ashur hell, Taoist hell, etc etc etc.

The Christian is going to Hindu hell. Islam hell. New hell. Hades. Norse hell, etc.

Etc etc etc.

Etc etc etc.

Etc etc etc.

No matter which way you cut it, we’re all going to multiple forms of hell and possibly one form of heaven.
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I want to know he is there, not have to defy the brain he gave me to believe he exists.
You do know that he is there and you don’t have to defy your brain to know it. The whole creation testifies to the creator. All reasoning testifies to it. Morality testifies to it. You aren’t missing information; you are suppressing what is already known. You willfully ignore that which people like me say due to the hardness of your heart. It isn’t an intellectual problem, but a spiritual one.

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He put us here to suffer and sin and rebel and die. He knew it would happen, being omnipotent/present and all, yet still sent you and me into the shite world that he allowed humanity to ruin, to suffer and die.
God not stopping us from rebelling against Him so we can see our need for Him and His love for us through Jesus Christ His son is not the same thing as causing/forcing us to sin and making us live in a world of suffering we don’t deserve. You are rebelling against God right now yet you think you or anyone else doesn’t deserve what we experience? We all deserve suffering. What we don’t deserve is the mercy God provides.

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Why make the world? Boredom? Ego trip? Smoked some really good cosmic space dust?
God created the world for His own glory and to commune with His creation (mankind) for our sake. God didn’t need us. He wasn’t lonely.

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If god exists, I'd have preferred he didn't bother making me, because I'd rather not exist than experience what I have on earth while still risking eternal pain.
Im sorry you have suffered in this life, but the point of it all is that this life is not all there is. What suffering we experience here is nothing compared to the torments of hell and the bliss of heaven. It is not unreasonable to wish that you were never born when faced with such suffering. What the gospel provides is healing for those wounds and salve for the suffering experienced. It provides hope and purpose. Faith in God’s mercy as provided by the salvation offered through His son is the offer of peace with God, other people, and even ourselves in time.

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I understand that my attitude in the above sentence can be seen as mentally ill. It is. I am.
The human brain wasn’t created that way. Sin affected all of creation and allowed death and decay to enter our bodies. We suffer with the effects of sin in many ways and sickness of both body and mind are just some of the ways we see it. We are supposed to see these affects and seek for healing, seek for the removal of sin and it’s affects. The whole of creation is a sign post pointing towards our need for Jesus Christ and the eternal life He offers for us where sin is removed and it’s affects are taken away in the life to come.

I’m sorry you have to struggle with your mind and emotions. If I had the ability to remove that suffering from you right now, I would do so because though I don’t know you, I love you as a fellow image-bearer of God. I want you to be well in soul as well as in body, which is why I urge you to think about the sacrifice Jesus made on behalf of people like you who hate and despise Him. God didn’t have to become a mortal man and suffer and die. He chose to do so out of love for us. An evil tyrant doesn’t do that for those whom He has ultimate power over.

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I have "put the gun down" many many times in my life because I have shite to do here and that fricker up there, if he exists, will have to wait a little longer to send me to hell for not following the rules with the lack of ability to believe that he gave me. I turn it all into motivation to spite the almighty just one more day, because to send me here with a fricked up brain that makes me hate myself then punish me for all eternity for ending it early? I relish that every day.
That is quite a lot of anger and hatred turned towards someone that you don’t think exists. Perhaps it is that you know He is there yet hate Him for your suffering. You have rebelled against Him your whole life by not trusting Him and taking the spiritual medicine of His son by faith and yet you think He is somehow unjust to give you the affects of sin? We all suffer in many ways, some more than others. All suffering is the result of the fallen world we live in and is meant to point us to the one who can alleviate that suffering.

I urge you to let go of your anger and hatred for God and to embrace His son Jesus, the great physician who will heal all wounds and wipe away all tears for those who simply trust in His historical death on the cross to pay the penalty for sin. The burden of our sins is heavy and weighs us down and crushes us, but His yoke is easy and His burden is light.


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That is quite a lot of anger and hatred turned towards someone that you don’t think exists.


You are right about the anger. If he exists, as I stated multiple times.

I don't know if he exists or not, because no one has ever told me or shown me anything to convince me that there is a god. However, I took 14 years of catholic school religion and understand how I am supposed to be in regards to religion. I just am not and thus far, have not been able to, feel the presence or see anything that might slightly convince me that god is just as likely to be a made up construct of human authoritarianism as he is to be real. There is equal amounts of evidence for both (read: none).

I am a non believer that wants to believe, I just can't. I have read the bible cover to cover thinking it might open up some spiritual awakening. Nope. I read through a book blessed by the last legitimate pope and I personally have known the priest that wrote it because he and a family member were roommates in college before he went to the seminary. Dude is like an uncle.

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God not stopping us from rebelling against Him so we can see our need for Him and His love for us through Jesus Christ His son is not the same thing as causing/forcing us to sin and making us live in a world of suffering we don’t deserve. You are rebelling against God right now yet you think you or anyone else doesn’t deserve what we experience? We all deserve suffering. What we don’t deserve is the mercy God provides.


That's a lot of mental gymnastics to rationalize the loving idea of an all powerful and merciful maker vs the reality of being sent to earth, by him, as some kind of loyalty test? I mean the dude has committed mass genocide multiple times if we are to believe scripture.

So sin entered the world. Why didn't the all powerful being stop it? If he makes no mistake then sin, death and evil are intentional no? Sounds like punishing the sons for the sins of their fathers to me. Which If a god chooses to punish me because the first dude he made fricked it all up? Imagine the set you have to have to think that is 'merciful' somehow. In the great flood, god literally killed innocent babies, he turned people into pillars of salt, he tried to trick his own fricking sidekick into killing a son in god's as some sort of sadistic test. We are told not to test the lord, yet there are numerous examples of him testing us for what I can only assume is some sadistic ego trip.

Life is one cosmic amusement park ride I'd have rather not been put on. I've almost taken myself off the ride numerous times. I take my pills.

One thing this conversation has made me realize is how much I have not liked exiting for my whole life. I'm not gonna go off the deep end or anything, but nihilism is starting to sound like a decent alterative. All these creative ways god hurts you so that you love him just make me more angry, because he could stop it, yet chooses not to..

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God didn’t need us. He wasn’t lonely.


I didn't hate existing til he made me exist. Wish he wouldn't have bothered with little old me. I didn't need him either.

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The human brain wasn’t created that way.

Mine was. I did not suddenly develop mental illness. God made me this way, because he has power over sin and death/decay/sickness, but chose to let me suffer anyway. He knows all, so why make me when he knew my life would be mostly torment? Why make the kid who is born with AIDS? He could stop that and no one would ever know the difference. We already know he is selective with his power, so why not spare this being he supposedly loves so much? Again, he could stop it and chooses not to. That's at least the way I see it.


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