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re: If Gender Is Changeable, Why Not Race? Matt Walsh
Posted on 9/8/20 at 12:11 pm to ShoeBang
Posted on 9/8/20 at 12:11 pm to ShoeBang
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Spare me. God doesn't ask for W2s and bank account info before allowing admittance to heaven. That's the one thing the Catholics got right. Tithing is not required.
I don’t know if you actually read my post, because your answer seems to address some other post.
I simply told you, you don’t have to be an official member of any religion to be
a believer and then you go off about tithing. Where did that come from?
This post was edited on 9/8/20 at 12:15 pm
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Posted on 9/8/20 at 1:04 pm to Revelator
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then you go off about tithing. Where did that come from?
I don't think I've ever heard of a non denominational church not requiring 10% of your income to be accepted into God's family properly. That's where it came from.
Even your small "unaffiliated" church will want your money. That's my point. Joel Osteen is unaffiliated too.
Any church that requires you to give money is illegitimate. If heaven exists, money won't get you there, but preachers will tacitly tell you otherwise.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 1:19 pm to ShoeBang
quote:The hypocrisy of non-organized religion and the non-religious exists all the same. Why do you think this is an issue that exists solely in the realm of organized religion?
I am actually jealous of believers. My wife is one of them. I wish I could. I have tried many times, but the hypocrisy of organized religion always drives me away.
Do you think that atheists are all perfectly consistent and not hypocritical? Do you think that a worldview that states that human beings are the result of unguided chance in a cold and distant universe provides a rational basis for morality, meaning, and value? It doesn't. Without God, there is no objective basis for any of those things. All is opinion, and no opinion can be objectively better or worse than any other. And if that's true, wouldn't it be hypocritical for anyone to condemn anyone else? Hypocrites exist in all worldviews because hypocrisy is the result of sin, and all people are sinners, both the religious and the irreligious. This is but one truth that makes sense within the scope of the Biblical worldview.
quote:I reject the claim that there is no evidence for the truth claims presented by Christianity. The issue is that those who don't believe it reject the evidence as such, or say it isn't compelling enough for them to believe it.
I just cannot come to accept something that presents with no evidence as somehow true or real. My brain is just wired differently I guess. I guess that's why St. Thomas is my favorite biblical figure. Jealous of him. He got to see to believe. I'll never get that chance, so I'll never believe.
The summary of the Gospel is this: God created humans to be representatives of Him on earth and being made in His image with capacity of godliness in worship that does not exist with other creatures. He created humans for Him to commune with and enjoy, not out of necessity or need, but out of love for that which He created. When the pinnacle of His creation (mankind) sinned, it separated all of us from God due to His holiness. The rest of the story is about reconciliation of sinful creatures to their sinless creator. Due to God's justice, only the shedding of blood can atone for sin, and the shedding of blood of animals wasn't sufficient, which is why it had to be done over and over again as a sign of the promise God made with our first parents that He would send a messiah to save His people. God ordained that He would reconcile us to Himself through the shedding of His own blood, the blood of His perfect and sinless son, Jesus. Jesus had to become a man and to live as one of us in the pain and anguish of humanity, to obey God's law perfectly as our parents failed to do, and to then die on our behalf so that His sacrifice would atone for those whom He died for. The price to receive that reconciliation with God? Trust. Trust is all that is needed.
quote:While there is breath, there is hope. Saul was persecuting Christians as an adult before he was changed and went about as the apostle Paul. There is always hope in Christ, no matter what you have done or how old you are. The mercy of God knows no limits and no one is too far gone to receive it.
I've resigned my fate to the lake of fire if it exists and try to be a 'do no harm' person that raises decent kids on my slide into eternal damnation, because faith ain't gonna happen. Hasn't happened in 35 years yet.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 1:31 pm to ShoeBang
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I don't think I've ever heard of a non denominational church not requiring 10% of your income to be accepted into God's family properly. That's where it came from.
You obviously never heard of a house church. The pastor isn’t getting paid, and there is no overhead.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 1:40 pm to Revelator
Folks who have had the physical attributes to do so who chose to do so have been able to change the perception of their race, probably since the dawn of time but certainly since it has "mattered". The problem is not my thinking I am an Asian man trapped in in a Caucasian man's body but instead it is the public acceptance, particularly on the part of the Asian community. I can think I am a woman all day long everyday but my beard, mustache, deep voice, and a particular area of my anatomy tells a far different story and the public is going to make assumptions based on these factors without much concern of what I think of myself as.
If a black person thinks they are a white person or vice versa I don't know what anyone would necessarily care...it seems like an idiotic thing to do but so does hiking, to me, but I don't judge people who like to hike or a man who wants to wear dresses and shite in the ladies room....it really is not any of my business, and to be honest and a no doubt condescending to the man in the dress, I figure my brother or sister, whatever he (they / Them ?) identifies as, has a hard enough row to hoe without my adding stones to his soil.
On the same side of that coin, however, I do not understand nor care to do so how these same people can expect me to simply accept their thoughts and be put off by my finding it strange or not knowing what their pronoun is. I am willing to accept anyone based on the individual and I would never intentionally insult or harm anyone emotionally if I knew better and if I did do so out of ignorance or by making a mistake I would at least apologize. You do not see that kind of tolerance anywhere except in the middle of the political spectrum....the left wing nuts and the right wing nuts are all about either tolerating anything other than intolerance or simply not tolerating anything outside of their perception of normal...both dismiss a heaping pile of human lives.
The fringes of the left and right are far more akin to one another than either would ever admit and being intolerant of anyone who is not ideologically pure is something they are in lockstep with one another on....I realized long ago that I wasn't perfect and neither was anyone I ever met...and I realized that while my opinion is important to me it is meaningless to anyone else...and so is everyone else's...I say live and let live and try to make amends when you screw that up which will happen from time to time...but do not be intolerant of things you dissaprove of because guess what? No one cares a tinkers damn....
If a black person thinks they are a white person or vice versa I don't know what anyone would necessarily care...it seems like an idiotic thing to do but so does hiking, to me, but I don't judge people who like to hike or a man who wants to wear dresses and shite in the ladies room....it really is not any of my business, and to be honest and a no doubt condescending to the man in the dress, I figure my brother or sister, whatever he (they / Them ?) identifies as, has a hard enough row to hoe without my adding stones to his soil.
On the same side of that coin, however, I do not understand nor care to do so how these same people can expect me to simply accept their thoughts and be put off by my finding it strange or not knowing what their pronoun is. I am willing to accept anyone based on the individual and I would never intentionally insult or harm anyone emotionally if I knew better and if I did do so out of ignorance or by making a mistake I would at least apologize. You do not see that kind of tolerance anywhere except in the middle of the political spectrum....the left wing nuts and the right wing nuts are all about either tolerating anything other than intolerance or simply not tolerating anything outside of their perception of normal...both dismiss a heaping pile of human lives.
The fringes of the left and right are far more akin to one another than either would ever admit and being intolerant of anyone who is not ideologically pure is something they are in lockstep with one another on....I realized long ago that I wasn't perfect and neither was anyone I ever met...and I realized that while my opinion is important to me it is meaningless to anyone else...and so is everyone else's...I say live and let live and try to make amends when you screw that up which will happen from time to time...but do not be intolerant of things you dissaprove of because guess what? No one cares a tinkers damn....
Posted on 9/8/20 at 1:49 pm to FooManChoo
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I reject the claim that there is no evidence for the truth claims presented by Christianity. The issue is that those who don't believe it reject the evidence as such, or say it isn't compelling enough for them to believe it.
I'm aware that the man Jesus of Nazareth existed. However, I have never seen any concrete evidence of any of the miracles he was said to perform. I also find it convenient that all the cool magical shite happened thousands of years ago so no way to prove it. Hearsay from a book written and re-written and re-translated numerous times over a 2k year period doesn't count from me personally unless there is a religion that is willing to include all the proper books of the bible. I had an easier time believing in Santa and the Tooth Fairy as a kid because there was "evidence" presented to me (i still never do remember a time believing in 'magic'). God was just something my parents dragged me to so I could stare at my feet for an hour while some dude on stage talked about whateverthefrick. Bes day of my young life was confirmation when my parents declared they didn't have to make me go to Church any more.
Don't get it mixed up here either. I want to believe, just haven't seen anything that would convince me that I'm not just wasting energy worrying over or praying to some being who ostensibly loves us endlessly, but won't stop letting sons stop dying for the sins of their fathers. If he exists, he doesn't care as much as we have been told, or a lot of dead innocents wouldn't be. Figured that part out at 14 carrying a 15year old family member to his resting place. God ain't gonna help you, we're on our own down here from what I can tell. If he exists, I didn't want to ever have anything to do with him. That feeling really hasn't changed.
I have never felt his presence or whatever the hell real believers say, but I have buried a perfectly innocent child, and I still feel the presence of that pain every day. I learned all I needed to know about God pretty early in life, and the last 12-13 haven't really given me reason to change that attitude much while losing so much more.
Blame all tragedy on sin if you must, but consider the fact that God created sin just as easily as he created you. God created everything, which includes evil and sin. His all powerful omnipotence either has limits, or he sets limits to his own power. Letting a kid get raped and die of AIDS in africa being one of his cooler repeat tricks over the last few decades. He really plays the hits. I say all this in jest, but it does affect my ability to accept god. Pretty much I look at it like this: If god exists, he is kind of an a-hole.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 1:58 pm to ShoeBang
Sounds like you need Jesus.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 1:58 pm to Revelator
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For those who reject God’s unchanging truth, everything is subjective.
Which God and which unchanging truth? It has been suggested that there have been 10000 or more Gods worshipped by mankind in the last 7000 years alone. God knows how many more in the rest of the 190,000 years man has been on earth. Presuming that Christians reject all other God's, one that has only been around about 2500 years or so, what's the difference between a devout Christian and a devout Atheist? One more god rejected. That is all. One more out of 10000 or so in the last 7000 years. This is what would be known as statistically insignificant.
Loads of folks existed before the Christian God...way more than have ever worshiped the Christian God...so which God's unchanging truth are we talking about, one that has only been around a short period of time...a mere babe in the woods compared to those which have been around for 200000 years??? Surely no one really buys that tripe, do they???
Posted on 9/8/20 at 2:00 pm to Gtmodawg
GermanDawg with the daily wall of babbling bullshite.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 2:01 pm to ShoeBang
quote:
want to believe,
Faith.
I hope it will be revealed for you.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 2:03 pm to Jbird
No one reads his meltastic diatribes anyway. 
Posted on 9/8/20 at 2:04 pm to roadGator
quote:He thought moving on from GermanDawg would get his shite read.
No one reads his meltastic diatribes anyway.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 2:05 pm to Revelator
Im going to start identifing as black, and I want my fricking reparations bitches
Posted on 9/8/20 at 2:08 pm to Gtmodawg
No one is going to convince you that you're pathetically uninformed except you deciding to be honest with yourself
Posted on 9/8/20 at 2:10 pm to ShoeBang
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Blame all tragedy on sin if you must, but consider the fact that God created sin just as easily as he created you. God created everything, which includes evil and sin. His all powerful omnipotence either has limits, or he sets limits to his own power. Letting a kid get raped and die of AIDS in africa being one of his cooler repeat tricks over the last few decades. He really plays the hits. I say all this in jest, but it does affect my ability to accept god. Pretty much I look at it like this: If god exists, he is kind of an a-hole.
He ain't kind of an ahole, he is a stupendous ahole. Thank god he is merely the result of man casting about for answers in time of wont as have all of the many thousands of Gods man's fevered mind has conjured up when unable to answer questions.
Christians doubt the supposed omnipotence as much as any atheist...ask one, if you can tolerate such exercise, about their God being banned from public schools like some kind of pedophile...they will go OFF on a tear about how their God has been banned from public schools...because they know full well it is humanly impossible to carry a God, an entity they know full well does not exist, in their heart. If they did not know this fundamental truth they would have never tried to claim that their God could be banned from any of man's institutions....because it is not possible to ban the ideas that a man holds in his heart.
There are 1000's of other things such as this that all Christians will agree on that indicate a serious lack of faith on their part....again, if you can tolerate the exercise talk to them....they will reel off example after example of how they really have no faith in their god or even the existence of their god...right off the bat they will claim knowledge which replaces faith and renders the latter un-needed. I know gravity exists, I do not need faith in gravity in order to accept gravity....but most christians do indeed seek knowledge and claim to possess it when all that is asked of them is to have faith...but they know faith in something as ridiculous as a god is what it is and therefore will seek and claim knowledge...speaking volumes about their faith and the value of the same...
Posted on 9/8/20 at 2:11 pm to ShoeBang
Take away the "organized" part
Stop letting others dictate how you think
Stop letting others dictate how you think
Posted on 9/8/20 at 2:12 pm to Gtmodawg
DRDV GermanDawg.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 2:12 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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No one is going to convince you that you're pathetically uninformed except you deciding to be honest with yourself
I am being honest my friend...christians reject at least 9999 Gods. I reject one more than that. The one that christians do not reject has only been around about 7000 years....mankind predates that by about 190000 years. These are facts my friend...
Posted on 9/8/20 at 2:16 pm to Gtmodawg
"Mere Christianity"
by CS Lewis
If you're scared of the truth, you won't read it
by CS Lewis
If you're scared of the truth, you won't read it
Posted on 9/8/20 at 2:17 pm to Gtmodawg
GermanDawg called everyone my friend in his long run on sentence babbling bullshite as well.
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