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re: If Gender Is Changeable, Why Not Race? Matt Walsh
Matt Walsh with a super hot take from 2016


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re: If Gender Is Changeable, Why Not Race? Matt Walsh
Why not age?




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ShoeBang
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So my beliefs about Hindus or yours for that matter is irrelevant.


I wasn't talking about you or me. I was talking about them. Just wondering what your thoughts on roughly 84% of the current world's population having exactly zero chance at heaven because they weren't born christian and will never convert.

It's cool. Not trying to derail the thread here. Just always wonder how people can, on one hand, claim their fealty to Jesus and his teachings yet at the same time have no compunctions with accepting the eternal damnation of billions because they weren't born in the right place where the 'right' religion was pushed on them as if Mr. Righteous in the front pew didn't win some genetic lottery being born in Iowa when that same soul could have just as easily been born to a famine stricken village in The Congo with no shot at eternal life and a really good shot at AIDS and/or rape/ murder/etc while living the time limited shite box god sent them to.

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Matt Walsh with a super hot take from 2016


Does truth become less true after 4 years?


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I wasn't talking about you or me. I was talking about them. Just wondering what your thoughts on roughly 84% of the current world's population having exactly zero chance at heaven because they weren't born christian and will never conver


I would suspect they think Christians are equally wrong?


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ShoeBang
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Think about this logically. The law of non contradiction does not allow two contradicting truth claims to be true at the same time and in the same sense. One can be true, both can be false, but both can’t be true at the same time and in the same way.


Exactly, and Christianity has the same shot at being "real" as any other religion. How sure are you? I'm assuming just as sure as the Hindu mother of 3 who prays to Krishna every night for their safety. Is she wrong? Who is to say. No one can prove anything one way or the other.

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Are you claiming to support irrationality by your protest about the monopoly God has on spiritual truth?


No I am claiming that no religion, no matter how old, can can assert all the magical shite that conveniently happened thousands of years ago with no evidence is 'real' in any sense of the word. That's the faith portion. Thus, believing your God is right and others are wrong is not based in any kind of real provable truth.

Go ahead and believe it with everything you have. It makes better people for sure. I've never had that capacity. I've been a non believer since I can remember. 14 years of Catholic school only made it worse as the hypocrisy is on full display in Catholic Schools for sure.


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re: If Gender Is Changeable, Why Not Race? Matt Walsh
it's a lot easier to change race than gender. Changing race is very simple since it's just an arbitrary social designation based mostly on geographical factors. Why is a black person in Africa one race but in North America a different race?


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Exactly, and Christianity has the same shot at being "real" as any other religion.
I don't think you can judge truth claims based on their statistical probability as compared to others. It's more binary than that.

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How sure are you?
Very sure.

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I'm assuming just as sure as the Hindu mother of 3 who prays to Krishna every night for their safety.
Confidence does not turn a falsehood into a truth.

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Is she wrong?
I believe she is.

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Who is to say.
God.

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No one can prove anything one way or the other.
Not true. Perhaps you mean no one can prove anything to you one way or the other, but people are convinced of all sorts of things based on sufficient proof in their minds based on evidence presented.

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No I am claiming that no religion, no matter how old, can can assert all the magical shite that conveniently happened thousands of years ago with no evidence is 'real' in any sense of the word. That's the faith portion.
Actually, anyone can claim anything they please. The issue isn't with the existence of the claim, but the truthfulness of the claim, itself, and its coherence with reality.

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Thus, believing your God is right and others are wrong is not based in any kind of real provable truth.
I disagree. There are many claims in the Bible that are provable and sufficient for believing it to be basically reliable. Then there are other claims like the resurrection of Jesus that can be believed with confidence based on the evidence available to us. And then there is the whole package of the truth claims about God, what He is, what He has done, and His characteristics that in total provide the basis for a worldview that is coherent and makes sense of the world around us in a way that other worldviews (secular or religious) don't and can't.

Also, the truth claim isn't invalidated just because the claim doesn't conform to a materialistic or naturalistic worldview that denies the supernatural from the outset. That's a presupposition that you clearly adhere to, but that doesn't mean your presupposition is correct. It just means that you don't accept claims that violate what you already believe to be true regarding the nature of the universe. Having an empiricist mindset might be useful in many contexts but empiricism as a basis for discerning epistemological truth isn't very stable.

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Go ahead and believe it with everything you have.
Thanks for the permission. I will.

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It makes better people for sure.
The Bible provides an objective basis for what "better" is, and what "good" is. I'd challenge you to justify your view of what makes a "good person" in your worldview and why that is a logically coherent position to hold.

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I've never had that capacity. I've been a non believer since I can remember. 14 years of Catholic school only made it worse as the hypocrisy is on full display in Catholic Schools for sure.
I'm sorry you had to have that experience. Sin is a powerful thing and no one, not even true and faithful Christians can escape the reality of it in our lives this side of eternity.

With that said, I believe only the Christian worldview can provide a rational basis for condemning hypocrisy as immoral. We have an objective standard to judge what is true and what is false so that we can identify hypocrisy and condemn it for what it is. Christians who are caught up in sin should be repenting daily of it and asking forgiveness from both God as well as those whom they sin against. Everyone sins. All are hypocrites. Christianity offers a rational basis for identifying hypocrisy, condemning it, and being forgiven for it so that no one has to feel eternally lost for their past mistakes.


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Does truth become less true after 4 years?


If you are scoring points by only how “hot” a take is, I suppose that truth is irrelevant?



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If Gender Is Changeable, Why Not Race?


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ShoeBang
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FooManChoo


We have different world views for sure. I am actually jealous of believers. My wife is one of them. I wish I could. I have tried many times, but the hypocrisy of organized religion always drives me away.

I just cannot come to accept something that presents with no evidence as somehow true or real. My brain is just wired differently I guess. I guess that's why St. Thomas is my favorite biblical figure. Jealous of him. He got to see to believe. I'll never get that chance, so I'll never believe. I've resigned my fate to the lake of fire if it exists and try to be a 'do no harm' person that raises decent kids on my slide into eternal damnation, because faith ain't gonna happen. Hasn't happened in 35 years yet.



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but the hypocrisy of organized religion always drives me away.


You can still be a believer and not part of an organized religion. There are home churches around that are small and not affiliated with any particular religion

You might enjoy the book by Lee Strobel, The Case for Christ
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Exactly, and Christianity has the same shot at being "real" as any other religion. How sure are you? I'm assuming just as sure as the Hindu mother of 3 who prays to Krishna every night for their safety. Is she wrong? Who is to say. No one can prove anything one way or the other.


Honestly, why do you care? It obviously pisses you off that he/she believes their religion to be the one true religion but it doesn't hurt you in any way that they believe it so why get your panties in a twist about it? You can believe what you believe and they can believe what they believe. The only exception to that is if what they believe leads to you being blown up or shot at a concert or grocery store. Outside of that, let it go.


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re: If Gender Is Changeable, Why Not Race? Matt Walsh
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White people are always racists and evil because that's just how they are born.




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ShoeBang
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so why get your panties in a twist about it?


I don't care but engaging in conversations with people who I disagree with could open up a new avenue into how I see life.

Being so closed minded that you don't consider your own (or your group's) ability to be wrong is where evil comes in. Luckily FooMan is one who appears to rise above that for the purposes of this conversation, which I appreciate. That is a lost art these days. We have turned disagreements on subjective matters into attack and defense in our society. That is extremely counterproductive to a free and open society of which half of us want.

If you thought my "panties" were "in a twist" then you are guilty of assuming disagreeing is attacking. I stated something I believed to be a fact (no one can prove god) and Foo respectfully disagreed. Then we stated our positions and in the end we still disagree but I don't think he's somehow "bad"


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If Gender Is Changeable, Why Not Race?
It's Pandora's Box.
Why not age?
I want my senior citizen benefits NOW!
Why can't a 12 year old identify as 21 to get into bars?


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ShoeBang
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There are home churches around that are small and not affiliated with any particular religion



Spare me. God doesn't ask for W2s and bank account info before allowing admittance to heaven. That's the one thing the Catholics got right. Tithing is not required.

I don't see how people can look themselves in the mirror while giving another man 10% of their earnings in God's name. The whole "I need your money to get you to heaven" thing is too transparent for a skeptic like me.


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I am changing my race if there will be reparations.


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