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re: If Biden won 2020 legitimately

Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:05 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481023 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:05 am to
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Do you think there was no local election fraud in 2024?

I don’t think you’ve thought this position all the way through.


California Presidential Election Results for DEM Candiate:

2008: 8,274,473 LINK
2012: 7,854,285 LINK
2016: 8,753,792 LINK
2020: 11,110,250 LINK
2024: 9,276,179 LINK
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
129558 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:06 am to
What does that prove?

I noticed you didn’t include a thesis with your data.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481023 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:08 am to
I did, in the original post


quote:

California Presidential Election Results for DEM Candiate:

2008: 8,274,473 LINK
2012: 7,854,285 LINK
2016: 8,753,792 LINK
2020: 11,110,250 LINK
2024: 9,276,179 LINK

There is no reason to cheat in California in 2020. Biden got 63.5% of the vote. Also, California already had expansive MIV and ballot harvesting Here is a report on the use in the 2018 midterms in CA. So, unlike many other states, those were constants in CA.

You can see the impact of this in 2024 when Kamala smoked 2008 Obama and Hillary by a wide margin. That's in a race when the DEMs were completely deflated, the moderates turned on them nationally, and they ran a candidate most DEMs hated.

The data from CA in 2020 should tell people it was not a normal election in terms of turnout.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
36710 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:10 am to
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very claim still has to stand on its own evidence. Distrusting the messenger may explain your suspicion but it doesn’t prove your conclusion. That horse still has to carry its own weight.


Trusting the messenger is why you have faith.
Data has been presented that has not been verified and you believed it and then made it our responsibility to disprove it.
That’s not how the world works unfortunately.

Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
140624 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:10 am to
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Funny thing is, I’ve been asking for the same thing all along.
There is nothing funny about critical theory, or those who practice it.

You have come to a conclusion. In doing so, you refuse, demean, and deflect challenges to your conclusion. You manipulate facts to that end.

A lawsuit brought with facts and evidence, is inappropriately denied access to our court system based on a supposed "lack of standing." The actual facts and evidence go unheard by the courts. You call that injustice "a win."

At the same time, because the actual evidence is not considered, you deny that it exists at all. The inappropriate finding of "lack of standing" is spun by you as indicative of a "lack of evidence."

It is standard modus operandi for critical theory practitioners, and like Valley Girl upspeak, it is so routinely common in some circles, that you might not even realize you're doing it, or that it is so easily discernible. Res ipsa loquitur.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
36710 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:12 am to
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There is no reason to cheat in California in 2020.


You don’t know this so please stop.


The reality is there is no reason not to cheat in California
This post was edited on 7/20/26 at 8:13 am
Posted by paulb52
Member since Dec 2019
8799 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:13 am to
81,000,000 is a big red flag.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12927 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:13 am to
Because any govt. official who can’t acknowledge basic truth should be identified.

Same scenario as holocaust deniers.

What else are they willing to lie about?
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
46409 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:16 am to
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That's probably the strongest argument for the additional votes, actually.

All the mail in ballots because states relaxed their mail in regulations. People who wouldn't normally get off the couch to go vote were willing to send in a mailed-in ballot.


33.5 million mail in ballots in 2016. 65 million in 2020. So you're correct here.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481023 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:16 am to
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A lawsuit brought with facts and evidence, is inappropriately denied access to our court system based on a supposed "lack of standing."

Standing wasn't invented in 2020. Not having proper standing to bring a suit, and having that suit dismissed for that reason, is in no way an inappropriate denial of access to the court system.

Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
140624 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:18 am to
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is in no way an inappropriate denial of access to the court system.

It is when the state Supreme Court says so ... 3yrs after the fact.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
48153 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:20 am to
Not just 81MM but the swing states, the bellwether counties, the late night ballot dumps, the post-election ballots, ineligible ballot exceptions, etc... all in an election where we threw any semblance of security out of the window.

Only a f@ggot would come here and try to gaslight everyone into believing there was no fraud in 2020. A world-class peter-puffer!
This post was edited on 7/20/26 at 8:21 am
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
36710 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:22 am to
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Standing wasn't invented in 2020. Not having proper standing to bring a suit, and having that suit dismissed for that reason, is in no way an inappropriate denial of access to the court system.


If side stepping a point was toting the rock you’re Barry Sanders . Geebuz man have some integrity.
This post was edited on 7/20/26 at 8:23 am
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
32190 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:31 am to
You were talking about conspiracy theories.

I gave you one that has come to fruition. Fauci.

Want more?
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
32190 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:31 am to
Hip hop concerts.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481023 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:33 am to
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I gave you one that has come to fruition. Fauci.

You didn't even describe a specific conspiracy theory or how it has "come to fruition"

You're doing the thing where people spike the football an say "another conspiracy theory proven true" without actually showing anything.
Posted by CrystalPreserves
Member since May 2019
4942 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:34 am to
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Trusting the messenger is why you have faith. Data has been presented that has not been verified and you believed it and then made it our responsibility to disprove it. That’s not how the world works unfortunately.


No bubba. I’m asking anybody claiming the election was stolen to prove it. Unverified information isn’t established evidence, and suspicion isn’t a verdict.

A man making the charge carries the burden. He doesn’t set an empty saddle on the porch and tell everybody else to prove there was never a horse. That ain’t how it works.
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:35 am to
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quote:
There is no reason to cheat in California in 2020.


You don’t know this so please stop.


The reality is there is no reason not to cheat in California


I lived in California for well over a decade, over two stints. I lived there as recently as 2023. California is not as dark blue and Democrat as a lot of people believe. The system there is rigged to keep the Democrats in power. If anyone hasn't noticed by now, after Gavin's recall shenannigans and the latest L.A. mayoral race... then they are fricking retarded.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
140624 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:36 am to
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Kamala got more votes in CA in 2024 than Obama got in 2008 and Hillary in 2016.
Right. It's a conundrum. Now if Kamala happened to be from California, had statewide resources in place there, did a huge amount of fundraising there, etc. it might be different?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
140624 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:38 am to
quote:

Trusting the messenger is why you have faith.
Data has been presented that has not been verified and you believed it and then made it our responsibility to disprove it.
That’s not how the world works unfortunately.
Exactly.
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