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re: I wonder if medical students realize...
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:20 pm to onmymedicalgrind
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:20 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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So requiring doctors to stay current and continue learning after they finish med school and residency…is a bad thing to you? Right after you just asked
Staying current =/= attending a conference and listening to people bloviate for 3 hours.
Better than nothing though
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Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:21 pm to SmackoverHawg
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They should avoid doctors at all costs.
This is what I keep suggesting. If we all have been corrupted by Big Pharma, then just avoid seeing doctors and use AI. Hopefully nothing emergent ever happens.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:21 pm to BulldogXero
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Staying current =/= attending a conference and listening to people bloviate for 3 hours.
Literally could describe college courses like this but add in weekly. This of course assumes you don't understand how to apply what they're saying which most untrained won't...
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:22 pm to BulldogXero
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Staying current =/= attending a conference and listening to people bloviate for 3 hours.
Thanks for admitting you have no idea what CME and MOC entail.
Hell I wish it was that easy
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:23 pm to SmackoverHawg
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They don't.
A major share of marketing is aimed at doctors. In 2016, approximately $20.3 billion of the nearly $30 billion spent on medical marketing in the U.S. was directed toward healthcare professionals. In a 2019 study, it was found that approximately 68% of medical marketing budgets go toward targeting doctors.
Spending on healthcare professionals is diverse. Marketing to doctors includes payments for services like consulting, speaking fees, and travel, as well as meals, gifts, and free drug samples.
I would imagine a big portion of that could be the free drug samples, but not being in your industry - are you suggesting that cash payments, speaking fees, travel and gifts are negligible?
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:24 pm to SmackoverHawg
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I will agree that the industry as a whole has gone to shite and thanks to more and more unethical physicians and facilities, it gives us all a bad name. To be honest, the criticism is well deserved by many. Unfortunately, the system seems to be training them to be that way. I've always been cynical and questioned authority. I guess it didn't take with me as it did many of my peers.
Thanks for the honest feedback. I don't know if professionals in the industry see this but I do. It's not limited to just doctors, the entire medical industry is taking a hit.
The senate hearing the other day with RFK Jr. didn't help either. It was so easy to see him as a people's champion who these powerful politicians were trying to destroy. The politicians definitely over played their hand. I'll wager all of them are financially supported by big pharmaceutical, insurance and medical industries. Seems like it's worse than "big oil" or "big tobacco ".
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:24 pm to Louisianalabguy
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So you didn't make the government bonuses from every positive covid test as the government told us?
Hell no we didn't. I didn't and I don't know of anyone that did.
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How about large payments for hospializing these covid patients or putting them on remdisavir? These things were clearly communicated by the media.
This is true. Hospitals did in fact get paid handsomely for COVID admits and extra for putting them on remdesivir (which I also was very vocally against) and if they went on the vent. I'm not going to say that some hospital doctors didn't do some unethical shite, because they did. Many others thought they were doing the right thing because that's what the experts said. They now regret it and it weighs on them heavily.
I got arse raped financially during COVID. Independent providers got f#$ked even though we were the ones actually caring for people. Luckily I made bank in the stock market and do a ton of industrial medicine, but COVID cost me about $500k to keep my clinic open, take care of our patients and retain 100% of my staff with no cuts in hours, benefits or pay.
Anybody accusing me of profiting off of COVID can kiss my arse.
Hospitals got paid. Most doctors got screwed.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:28 pm to David_DJS
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free drug samples.
That's a ton of money. This is very misleading. We don't sell those, we give them to our patients. And no, it isn't to get them hooked. It's to try a med before they buy it and we have to fight insurance for coverage or to help offset their cost of treatment. They are also using retail value of those meds and not the true cost to the company which is very little. Way to be duped by the media. Keep on drinking the Kool Aid and blaming the doctors that actually treat you and not the real culprit, your insurance companies and corporate clinics, hospitals etc.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:30 pm to SmackoverHawg
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Anybody accusing me of profiting off of COVID can kiss my arse. Hospitals got paid. Most doctors got screwed.
Further, doctors who practice in any “elective” field of medicine/surgery got absolutely fricked financially during Covid. Our clinic lost 7-8 figures easy, and are still recovering. We literally couldn’t work to generate any revenue but still had all the same overhead expenses. No different than all those small business that got shut down. It was a really tough time for all of us.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:31 pm to SmackoverHawg
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Hospitals got paid. Most doctors got screwed.
Many thanks to you for your integrity. Integrity is something that can't be bought for any price. That said, do you have any idea about what can be done to change this pattern of lowering opinions of the medical professions in general?
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:35 pm to Louisianalabguy
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That by the time they become entrenched in their careers, most people will look down on them. You know, like they do attorneys and car salesmen.
Who looks down on doctors?
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:36 pm to Sofaking2
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A good doctor is worth their weight in gold.
Agree! Same goes for auto mechanics and a good dentist.
My mechanic details my car whenever I bring it in for work.
My dentist have the best scheduler. I'm usually in & out fairly quickly. They space out the appts so that patients don't get bunched up causing delays.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:37 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Further, doctors who practice in any “elective” field of medicine/surgery got absolutely fricked financially during Covid.
Seems like there's a common theme. Medical institutions made out real well while individual doctors in private practice did not.
Hmm..... almost like the government was trying to drive private doctors out of business like many other small businesses. If you noticed, the really big retail companies did well during thus time.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:39 pm to deltaland
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Who looks down on doctors?
Haven't you noticed? Just investigate opinion polls of the medical industries.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:42 pm to SmackoverHawg
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That's a ton of money. This is very misleading. We don't sell those, we give them to our patients.
I don't think the suggestion was doctors sell the free samples.
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Way to be duped by the media.
Dude, you're off base here.
First, it wasn't the media and second, my point about it probably being a large portion of the marketing spend targeted at doctors was that it shouldn't be considered the same way the other types of spending are.
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Keep on drinking the Kool Aid and blaming the doctors that actually treat you and not the real culprit, your insurance companies and corporate clinics, hospitals etc.
You might be too defensive for this discussion, which is odd given what I recall from your contributions to Covid threads back in the day.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:44 pm to Louisianalabguy
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car salesmen.
Accurate. Not necessarily re the physicians and nurses- but 1000% re management/corporate whores. There’s no money to be made in cures. Only perpetual “treatment.” Your average doctor is no different than your average electrician. Craftsmen are the Hoes, managed by the pimps. Just like electricians are the how’s, managed by the soft hands of people who consider themselves too good to get their hands dirty. I know this comment will not be received well by the soft-handed majority here. But it’s accurate. Prove me wrong.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:52 pm to Jizzy08
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I’m a doctor.
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by Jizzy08
Urologist?
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:52 pm to Prodigal Son
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There’s no money to be made in cures.
Nonsense talking point. There are so many curative treatments currently employed. Further, to think if a company developed a cure for, let’s say diabetes, they wouldn’t stand to make a total F ton of money just spits in the face of capitalism.
If you want to argue that the specific companies who make their money primarily on, let’s say, insulin, don’t want diabetes to be cured, then you have a point there. But why wouldn’t their competitor or another company not want to develop a cure?
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:53 pm to David_DJS
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You might be too defensive for this discussion, which is odd given what I recall from your contributions to Covid threads back in the day.
Sorry, I may have misinterpreted what you were saying. I'm posting, watching the Hogs, and have my 4 yo grandson bouncing around me like a spider monkey on crack.
I know of people that have done those things, but it's highly illegal and my practice if far too valuable to risk and I wouldn't do it anyway. If I don't earn it, I don't want it. I don't accept cash gifts from patients either. If they feel the need to give me extra (and many do) I encourage them to give it to charity.
This post was edited on 9/6/25 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 9/6/25 at 4:56 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:He doesn't understand economies of scale. When he was young, he went to the drug store that cousin Joe ran on his own. There is a reason why there are CVS, Walgreen's, Walmart, etc., etc. My PCP is a member of a group that has probably 20 clinics. They have an administrator and the only time I can remember they had a policy regarding medicine was with Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine during Covid. I am sure where they might get "incentives" to push some particular drug but it's never happened to me. My meds have been the same for years with the exception of surgeries, procedures, etc.
I’m confused why you think this is some type of gotcha
I don't know much about the homeopathic profession that he is talking about but he could move to a state that has them. Or, he could go to a DO who has a lot of homeopathic methods in their training.
If you don't like how you care provider is treating you then educate yourself.
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