re: I wholeheartedly disagree with the Trump administration on getting rid of Net Neutrality

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I’ll give the board credit though, only the most devout trump sycophants are supporting the end of NN.

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Except I'm not a Trump sycophant.

oligarchies that collude are called cartels
Cartels are natural monopolies

oligarchies that do not collude are called monopolistic competition, which while not ideal, is still a relatively efficient marketplace with enough competition for customer service to still hold some importance.

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Not a monopoly if there's more than one way to access the internet.

Wired, wireless, satellite. One or all available to all of the lower 48.

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Let me try this another way.

You seem to think "monopoly" means absolutely only one option for a particular product or service. It doesn't. It just means one entity dominates the market. Microsoft was deemed a monopoly, and there were and still are dozens of alternatives. Problem was, none of those alternatives could really compete with what Microsoft was offering (which largely was a result of the market dominance to begin with), and they began to abuse their position.

So forget your ridiculous argument that alternative ISPs exist for everyone in the lower 48. Those alternatives are not viable for the vast majority of people.

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Its the only way they can view the world.

They can't conceive of how someone can disagree with them absent getting it from Trump

Or on other issues absent being a bigot......etc

They really can't even conceive of this possibility

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Opposition to NN was going on far before trump.

Ted cruz and GOP leaders were complaining about it from the beginning.

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Cartels are natural monopolies

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Cartels aren't really natural monopolies. Natural monopolies are forms commerce that naturally aggregate to the first mover due to the incredibly high start-up costs.

We see this A LOT in most forms of commerce offering residential service. Water and power being two great examples. It also shows up in other areas like oil and gas pipelines though.

ISPs are actually much more similar than he wants to admit. In fact that was the basis for regulating them like utilities in the first place.

Cartels are simply the outgrowth of the limitations of the classical definition of a "monopoly." We sanction monopolies because they restraint the free markets. Of course, it quickly became easier to have divide a market a few ways.... (like mainly amongst two ISPs) and then restraint the free market by cooperating between the two firms.

Thus the notion of a cartel for anti-monopoly (antitrust) laws. Simply put the classic term "monopoly" doesn't cover the full breadth of behavior that restrains the free market.

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You STILL think you're talking about economics when you aren't

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I am talking about economics. Find me a time in history where the two major powers have the relationship that we have with China? They’re not the major powers, but possibly Britain and France post 1910 and Germany and Austria-Hungary also post 1910, but it was Britain and Germany that were the two true world powers at the time. Can’t think of anything remotely close to our relationship with China really.

At least give me a halfass example, you clown.

The pro-Trump shill in this Thread is the 100% flip-side of the coin, accusing anyone who disagrees with his idiotic stance. Centinal assumes everyone is disagreeing with him because they're paid Reddit trolls. If he managed to read this board and get to know the posters, they would see that many of the people disagreeing him were proud soldiers in the Great Meme War. Many of us are libertarian thinkers, GOP operatives, and bomb throwers against the establishment.

Both sides have their retards.

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I really should have seen it earlier. Look at his av.

This dude is trolling his arse off right now.

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The sad thing is that he clearly is not. He has been making this same argument all day across multiple threads. And he did the same thing a few months ago when the Trump administration passed legislation to allow ISP's to sell your data without consent.
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If he is a troll he's the saddest one I've seen. To the point he has become the mockery he wanted to mock.

This entire saga reminds me of something that stuck with me in a cognitive science class. If you get a person to argue something, anything, even if coming into the exercise they didn't believe the argument they are going to argue, a funny thing happens, the person asked to argue it begins to believe in it.

The more they do it, the more they strengthen their belief. This carries over in studies about general argumentation as well. So if you are like Centinel and picked some really half-assed argument to defend a really indefensible premise, the more you argue, the more you convince yourself of its legitimacy. Even though everyone else around you can see more and more how full of shite you are. Even when your argument objectively crumbles to pieces continually, the arguer will often not recognize it nor recognize how foolish they have began to look, and it will only strengthen their internal resolve to argue the point.

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I am talking about economics

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Nope

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Find me a time in history where the two major powers have the relationship that we have with China? They’re not the major powers, but possibly Britain and France post 1910 and Germany and Austria-Hungary also post 1910, but it was Britain and Germany that were the two true world powers at the time. Can’t think of anything remotely close to our relationship with China really.

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Still nope

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At least give me a halfass example, you clown.

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An example of a non economics concept completely unrelated to the subject?

Look. Just because you think talking about non economic principles contributes to the discussion doesn't make it so

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Like I told you in the other thread, data caps are the loophole that ISPs have found to continue fricking their customers. And rather than plug that hole, we're going the other direction. It's stupid.

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But they existed prior to NN and Title II.

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Oh my god. In the case of electricity, you don't need access to the grid, you just need access to power. Obviously in the case of the internet you need to be "on the grid".

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And in the case of transmitting packets, you don't need access to the internet, you just need access to equipment to send and receive them.

In the case of grid power, you need to be "on the grid"