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re: "I Went to the Hospital with chest pains. The reality in the ER was interesting..."
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:19 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:19 am to NC_Tigah
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what is the current vax effectiveness vs currently dominant CV19 strains?
Seemingly relatively poor, though I say that on the basis of pretty limited data with respect to the newest variants. But the newer variants generally cause much milder infections than earlier ones.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 12:20 am
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:31 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:Right.
Seemingly relatively poor, though I say that on the basis of pretty limited data with respect to the newest variants.
That's my gestalt as well.
So why would the US Government be pushing the vax for folks who were recently infected? (Ad came from HHS, btw.)
Seems like deliberate in-your-face pot stirring to me.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:08 am to Liberator
My wife’s coworker’s intern (college aged female) went to the Shands ER with chest pains and it was nearly fatal. Apparently the Shands (best hospital in FL) doctors are attributing the spike in heart issues in younger people to the vaccine.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:17 am to gatorsimz
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My wife’s coworker’s intern (college aged female) went to the Shands ER with chest pains and it was nearly fatal. Apparently the Shands (best hospital in FL) doctors are attributing the spike in heart issues in younger people to the vaccine.
Many of the leading cardiologists in the nation are, they just aren’t being too loud about it because they don’t want to face sanctions or have to deal with the politics involved.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:25 am to TigerDoc
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People are acquiring bad beliefs through trust in social networks that aren't well-structured for vetting facts.
That's because the so-called "experts" turned out to be gdamned liars looking for a buck.
Put the blame where it belongs.
All the knowledge and verbose language being vomited by the "experts" won't make up for the lack of integrity shown by the little Fascist "experts" who took GLEE in the pandemic and the resulting money, power and ego-stroke that came with it.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:03 am to Roger Klarvin
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Nobody is disputing this, the point is that those people are getting most/all of their information from people who DO have a long history of anti-vaccine rhetoric.
I haven't done a poll but I don't believe that to be true, and I suspect that perception comes from the fact that those people tend to be the loudest. My skepticism is a product of the information put out by the government and health officials, not anti-vaxxers. I'm not on a crusade and the topic doesn't come up much in my circles (white collar, STEM degrees), but if/when it does I hear a LOT of "they're all full of shite". I don't hear much "vaccines are a plot to kill us".
I don't think I'm unique in that regard, but I get that a silent majority is tough to gauge.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:07 am to oogabooga68
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Put the blame where it belongs.
They either can't or won't.
"People are stupid and listen to anti-vaxxers".
"No, they just no longer trust the authorities who've proven themselves to be untrustworthy".
"No, it's not their fault. It's the anti-vaxxers. Or the media's reporting. Or something else."
Rinse, repeat.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:18 am to tide06
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He will run in circles to avoid acknowledging to himself that he was wrong and was lied to by the people and systems he believed in. Presented with video evidence from the very people responsible for managing the pandemic that they lied, he can’t accept it so he will post blather about anti vax this and messaging that.
Bingo. It’s fascinating to watch.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:25 am to TigerDoc
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But if this had been a disease that killed kids instead of elderly or had a case fatality rate 10x what it does, people wouldn't tolerate silly shite like posting every death to suggest vaccination harm and to say things like you do about catching vaccine particles from people and that nurses giving vaccines should stand trial for war crimes.
But it didn’t kill young people… the injection you pushed did that. The others were murdered with bs lies about horsepaste.
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In this pandemic, that kind of talk is relatively cheap, and of course it's dumb, but it still does harm.
The irony is that you fail to see that it was your industry’s cheap talk that caused irreparable harm.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:31 am to NC_Tigah
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So why would the US Government be pushing the vax for folks who were recently infected? (Ad came from HHS, btw.)
Iheart radio runs the hell out of this sing-song rhyming ad squarely aimed at black people.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:31 am to Roger Klarvin
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Nobody is disputing this, the point is that those people are getting most/all of their information from people who DO have a long history of anti-vaccine rhetoric. This was an opportunity for such people to attract more people to their “camp”, so to speak. And it’s working too, as rates of long-standing vaccination are declining and we’re already seeing upticks in diseases such as measles as a result.
This is patently false. Every person I have followed is just like me & never questioned vaccines before.
To the contrary, those who have always been anti-vax suddenly rushed to get the COVID shot.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 10:33 am
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:34 am to TigerDoc
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if this had been a disease that killed kids instead of elderly or had a case fatality rate 10x what it does
If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle ... well, in today's society, this might not be the case ...
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:41 am to NC_Tigah
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So TD, what is the current vax effectiveness vs currently dominant CV19 strains?
Not a rhetorical question, I've not seen data on effectiveness vs XBB.1.5, or BQ.1/BQ.1.1.
But I ask, because earlier today I heard a US government radio commercial encouraging even those who've been recently infected to get a booster.
The latest that I saw was that vaccination halved risk of infection in people who had a previous infection.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:48 am to TigerDoc
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The latest that I saw was that vaccination halved risk of infection in people who had a previous infection.
And yet in the real world it’s the jabbed who continue getting Covid.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:55 am to TigerDoc
quote:Interesting.
The latest that I saw was that vaccination halved risk of infection in people who had a previous infection.
Those would be the most positive results I've seen since the original rollout.
Do you remember where you saw that?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:58 am to LSUAngelHere1
It's both, but less likely if you're vaccinated.
Look what happened to mortality by county-level data, sorted by vote share.
Look what happened to mortality by county-level data, sorted by vote share.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:59 am to NC_Tigah
I heard the study discussed on the recent This Week in Virology, but don't remember their citation.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:00 am to TigerDoc
Looks like Biden handled Covid
Worse than trump.
Worse than trump.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:01 am to TigerDoc
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if this had been a disease that killed kids instead of elderly
Seems like the wise thing to do would have been vaccinate elderly and obese, and isolate them.
Instead of the intellectually lazy method of shutting down most everything.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:04 am to BBONDS25
That's cumulative mortality, so it's going to always go up, but I give Trump a lot of credit for supporting vaccine development and getting vaccinated himself which hopefully encouraged a lot of wary supporters to do the same.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 11:05 am
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