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re: I think there needs to be some clarification on this board about NATO for some

Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:53 pm to
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
31021 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:53 pm to
NATO was formed specifically to stop the spread of the USSR, thus membership makes us a de facto enemy of Russia. It is pointless today.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
17174 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:55 pm to
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If it is how you describe, then why do they some time dictate what we need to think? Why isn't an American running the thing?
the same reason Caesar allowed the Ptolemaic dynasty to continue to “rule Egypt”. Give the illusion of self rule to keep the locals in line.
Posted by BamaScoop
Panama City Beach, Florida
Member since May 2007
55765 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:55 pm to
NATOnis a money laundering operation like everything else those fricks in Washington do.

I’m finished being fricked by those scumbags.
Posted by YouKnowImRight
Member since Oct 2023
2142 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:55 pm to
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NATO was formed specifically to stop the spread of the USSR, thus membership makes us a de facto enemy of Russia. It is pointless today.


Yet Russia has invaded multiple nations in the last 20 years and now has invaded Eastern Europe. Is it pointless? or just toothless.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
17174 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:56 pm to
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NATO was formed specifically to stop the spread of the USSR,
was the excuse given to consolidate our imperial holdings post ww2.
Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
Member since Oct 2018
4198 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:59 pm to
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STRONG allies are needed. NATO has caused our current allies to forgo their own defense and become weak. We need to take action to encourage them to reengage. We can be allies with them outside of NATO just as well as in.


Because history has shown that Europe is a continent of peace when left to their own devices.
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
1355 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:00 pm to
Seems odd to call it an Empire. If you want to use that word it should be noted that it is unlike any Empire in history. What land did we take after WWs? Who are our vassals? Germany and Japan don't always do as we tell them. And no country pays a fee to us.
I get the idea that American economic interests are promoted from this arrangement. But so are all our allies.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14297 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:00 pm to
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Any by the way, Russia is currently invading eastern Europe and China has its eyes set on Taiwan while arming itself at around $700 billion a year (unreported, of course). We're going to need military allies sooner rather than later.


Read what you wrote. Read it again.

Right now Europe is telling Zelensky he better get his shite together with the USA, or he and his country will cease to exist in a matter of months. So which of those allies are doing frickall about Russia?

We can discuss China if you'd like, but the situation is exactly, precisely the same. None of these important allies will do jack shite against China. The only difference being that China missed their window for invading Taiwan while we had a mental deficient president, and a band of lunatic marxists running the country.

Allies? Where? What is any one of those allies going to provide that we don't already provide for ourselves?
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
14964 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:00 pm to
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It's the same thing when we send cash to other countries. What happens when your currency is now the primary means of exchnage worldwide?


Does this include like when we go to Africa and promise them money in exchange for them supporting cutting off little boys’ dicks and flying the rainbow flag?

Seems that we can spread our currency around in much more economically beneficial ways that doesn’t also alienate the people we are trying to influence.
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
5906 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:05 pm to
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It's not needed anymore. It's outdated and is only used for a money operation

I'm not sure I would say that. Putin is threatened by NATO otherwise he wouldn't throw a fit when another country joints. I do believe it keeps him from moving westward.
But it is also keeping the US and Europe close as they need the US to fund NATO, provide the strength to keep Putin at bay.
If NATO is dissolved it opens up the door for the EU or European countries to form ties and agreements with Russia. It could push Europe to Russia economically and politically. A row with the US after NATO dissolving would definitely do that.
Maybe this is the long game of Putin.
Now I do absolutely think the EU needs to put much more into NATO. The US Footing the bill, is not acceptable for the US.
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
3877 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:13 pm to
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Seems that we can spread our currency around in much more economically beneficial ways that don’t also alienate the people we are trying to influence.


Sure we can debate all day long about where the influence should go—that wasn't the point of this.

Nothing will ever be 100% agreed upon.
Posted by JumpingTheShark
America
Member since Nov 2012
24216 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:14 pm to
I’m sure NATO does 10 million things daily that prevents widespread war that this board has never and will never know about and I kind of want to keep it around.
Posted by lake chuck fan
westlake
Member since Aug 2011
17984 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:16 pm to
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Now should we disband NATO is a very good question that I hope Trump looks at, but understand why it exists.


NATO exists to combat the spread of communism. Namely, at the time it was formed, the USSR. Why they frick should we continue to
prop up the European military????
Remember when Putin asked to be a member of NATO???
Your OP is misleading and wrong. The US gains nothing by continuing to pay the majority of the cost to an organization that disproportionately protects Europe.
We the people voted for the American First idea.
Your entire view is fricked off. Perhaps others can better explain why. Dumbest post of the week. Keep trying.
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
3877 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:18 pm to
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I get the idea that American economic interests are promoted from this arrangement. But so are all our allies


Wait-—Shouldn't that be the goal?

Posted by lake chuck fan
westlake
Member since Aug 2011
17984 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:21 pm to
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I’m sure NATO does 10 million things daily that prevents widespread war that this board has never and will never know about and I kind of want to keep it around.


LMAO... I doubt it!!! It's obvious that the EU, UK, and the rest of the WEF globalist types want to destroy everything about America that has made it great!!!
It baffles me why some people that frequent this site haven't seen enough information to form this obvious conclusion.
Unbelievable. What made America great are our traditional American values.
Hand over heart, red blooded, patriotic, sensible, and reasonable American taxpayers.
Posted by Jeff Boomhauer
Arlen, TX
Member since Jun 2016
3578 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:23 pm to
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If it is how you describe, then why do they some time dictate what we need to think? Why isn't an American running the thing?


This. Why is the rest of NATO challenging Trump? Shouldn’t they be bowing down and begging Trump not to abandon them?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:23 pm to
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Allies aren't needed anymore?
You are speaking with the message board embodiment of Florida Man.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
7073 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:24 pm to
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We can discuss China if you'd like, but the situation is exactly, precisely the same. None of these important allies will do jack shite against China.


The best post in this entire thread

There is no way that the goal of the United States after World War II was to keep our allies impotent.

As we sit here today not a single country is able to help us in any substantial manner against China and the inevitable conflict with Taiwan just like they cannot provide support to Ukraine
Posted by lake chuck fan
westlake
Member since Aug 2011
17984 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:25 pm to
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Allies? Where? What is any one of those allies going to provide that we don't already provide for ourselves?


Thank you!!! It's so damn obvious. There's a reason Europe will not put troops in Ukraine unless America does!!!! They can huff and puff all the bullshite rhetoric, but they won't. Because they are weak and most EU countries are about to be taken over by Muslims or end up in a civil war because of their immigration and energy policies.
SMH.... Wake up people!!!
Posted by lake chuck fan
westlake
Member since Aug 2011
17984 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 1:27 pm to
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As we sit here today not a single country is able to help us in any substantial manner against China and the inevitable conflict with Taiwan just like they cannot provide support to Ukraine



Agreed. And guess what?? When China does take Tawain back, theres not a dam thing we can do to stop it. We need to accelerate manufacturing back in the USA now.
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