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Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:56 pm to Centinel
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The current manager has full control over the project. He can change it, modify it, or push it out as long as he sees fit. It is his project. Period.
It's not his project though.
It's been a project for the past 20 years.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:58 pm to DangerousWafer
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It's not his project though.
He is the manager. It is most certainly his project.
I was a company commander. My company had been in existence since WWII. Are you saying if I fricked anything up as the commander, it wasn't really my fault since it wasn't really my company?
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:59 pm to Landmass
Fault of the previous manager.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:00 pm to Landmass
quote:You are a manager and you don't know the answer to that question? Is your resume up to date?
Would this be my fault or the fault of the previous manager?
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:03 pm to Landmass
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Would this be my fault or the fault of the previous manager?
I know Hillary Clinton’s answer:
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:03 pm to oklahogjr
You think Biden is capable of managing anything at this point?
Manage teams. Lol
He can’t manage pudding time.
Manage teams. Lol
He can’t manage pudding time.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:09 pm to Centinel
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I was a company commander. My company had been in existence since WWII. Are you saying if I fricked anything up as the commander, it wasn't really my fault since it wasn't really my company?
No, but if it was based on a decision the previous commander made, I would blame both this commander and the previous one.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:11 pm to Landmass
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. I had been the manager for 8 months before go-live.
You had the opportunity to audit the process and the mess left by your previous manager and you didn’t. This is 100% on you. Now if your previous manager had quit at the 11th hour before launch then maybe their fault but you had admittedly plenty of time to do some course correction or at the very least damage control for what probably looked like a looming disaster.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:12 pm to DangerousWafer
Only because one is an R. You are dishonest.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:14 pm to Landmass
I’m assuming your intentions were good, you made no mean tweets, and you were just too busy with a higher priority like CRT training.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:15 pm to DangerousWafer
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No, but if it was based on a decision the previous commander made, I would blame both this commander and the previous one.
But I'm the commander. The decision is mine now, either to go along with the previous decision, or render my own.
And regardless, if the project fails, it is my fault. I am the commander.
It's rather apparent you've never held a leadership position.
That our your just being a hypocrite because of the parties involved.
I'll let you decide which.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:18 pm to Centinel
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And regardless, if the project fails, it is my fault. I am the commander.
Sure.
I'm not saying that the commander isn't at fault.
I'm saying that both commanders are at fault: one for proposing the project in the first place and the other for implementing it.
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It's rather apparent you've never held a leadership position.
No, I don't think it is.
If you're a leader, you'd blame both managers for different reasons. One may get more blame than the other but both are clearly at fault for different reasons.
We had a project a few years ago go wrong like this. Both managers were blamed for the project going wrong.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:18 pm to Landmass
You are, as you were given the task.
You had a chance to review the work, make changes, and you failed to do it.
Botton line the task was given to you.
You were responsible to check the work.
You did not.
It is on you.
You had a chance to review the work, make changes, and you failed to do it.
Botton line the task was given to you.
You were responsible to check the work.
You did not.
It is on you.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:21 pm to DangerousWafer
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If you're a leader, you'd blame both managers for different reasons. One may get more blame than the other but both are clearly at fault for different reasons.
That's not how it works. You are the leader. It is your fault. You act like a project is sacrosanct and cannot be changed once put in motion. That's patently false. Especially when you've been the leader with more than enough time to assess the project and fix the issues you find in it.
Especially when you're on record changing or cancelling all the other projects you took on from the previous manager.
You are simply making excuses because you're friends with the current manager and you didn't like the previous one.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:27 pm to Landmass
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Would this be my fault or the fault of the previous manager?
Depends, it might be better to blame it on the previous manager and let you save some face if the only folks to take your place are somehow even shittier than you are!
Kinda where we find ourselves now!
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:35 pm to oklahogjr
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The total scope was 20 years though. You can only control so much if what happens at that point you're at the end of delivery and almost to close out phase.
Don't kid yourself. You were at highest levels of this project for almost 9 years and were part of the team that started the project 20 years ago. You own it.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 4:17 pm to crash1211
Everyone on he is trying to pick and choose who’s at fault. It seems to me we need to decide whether we’re talking about why would we were there in the first place and why we stayed too long or the execution of the withdrawal was FUBAR. If it’s the former, then the “blame” lies with Bush, Obama and Trump.
If it’s the later then it’s Biden. (Along with terrible intel). But no matter the political party, the buck stops with POTUS.
If it’s the later then it’s Biden. (Along with terrible intel). But no matter the political party, the buck stops with POTUS.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 4:18 pm to Landmass
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Would this be my fault or the fault of the previous manager?
Yours. You basically have 60-90 days to assess and escalate the need for change if necessary. 8 months means you have done the analysis and verified the plan is sound.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 4:20 pm to oklahogjr
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The total scope was 20 years though.
the total scope of evacuation wasn't. No one is blaming Joe for the totality of the war in the ME itself or even the fact we had a planned evacuation. People are blaming Biden for a completely botched execution. The total scope is not 20 years bud. That process started in early 2020
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 4:23 pm
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