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Posted on 8/25/25 at 6:23 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Yes, but don't burn a Pride flag unless you want to be charged with a hate crime.
Google AI says that you can burn a pride flag as long as you obtained it legally and you are not committing some other crime like trespassing or arson. If you steal a gay pride flag and burn it then you are committing a hate crime.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 6:25 pm to SammyTiger
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you can burn other people’s flags or public flags.
I think you meant cannot/can’t. Might want to fix that.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 6:25 pm to GumboPot
Aren’t there local laws against open burning without a permit? Enforce the law. If you don’t have a permit to burn anything in downtown Bumf*ck, arrest them. That’s not a first amendment issue.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 6:31 pm to Friendly Satan
quote:If both sides continue to wipe their arse with the Constitution, then what's the fricking point of having one?
Amendment time it is then!
Also, do you really think the Dims give a shite aboot the constitution? (Answer: ONLY when it benefits them!)
Posted on 8/25/25 at 6:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Logic over feelings
It’s like Breitbart said, politics is downhill from culture. Defending flag burning over feelings of “rights” and being a “staunch constitutionalist” is how you lose elections.
Where is the logic in purposefully losing elections over what is in the grand scheme a trivial matter, so that the left can take power? They do not give a shite about institutions. They have been considering packing the courts for decades, and in recent years are even campaigning on it
So yes you can say English as the national language, banning flag burning etc is stupid, but it is much more stupid to make defending that shite the hill to die on
Posted on 8/25/25 at 6:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
Burning an American flag should never be grounds for being arrested.
Burning an American flag also doesn’t protect someone from committing a different illegal act. For example burning one in a field during a burn ban.
Burning an American flag should absolutely be able to be used, along with any other subjective measure to deport those who are not citizens.
Burning an American flag also doesn’t protect someone from committing a different illegal act. For example burning one in a field during a burn ban.
Burning an American flag should absolutely be able to be used, along with any other subjective measure to deport those who are not citizens.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 6:51 pm to Riverside
quote:Yeah, I read it. Not sure if this was meant as a direct reply to me or if you just used my post to respond to the thread as nothing in my post indicates that I haven't.
Has anyone actually read Trump’s EO? There are absolutely contexts where burning an American flag would be perfectly legal to prohibit. As usual though, Massie is simply looking for likes on Twitter from his pathetic supporters.
On its face it just seems to be a policy directive to maximize use of existing tools against flag desecration without directly criminalizing it- which I have no problem with. The only criticism I would offer is that IMO it's just red meat for the base addressing something that is fairly low on my own list of priorities of what are the real problems we face as a country.
But that's fine. All politicians throw out meat for their base. That's not unique to Trump, and the EO doesn't seem to be an attempt to criminalize the act itself, so my only quibble is minor- I personally think it's a waste of time- but don't really object to the language or stated intent of the EO.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 6:58 pm to GeauxBurrow312
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People who hate this country need to get the frick out of it. And if they refuse to leave, we are letting a 5th column take root
it is sickening. but sickening or not, it is free speech and its protected.
This post was edited on 8/25/25 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:02 pm to northshorebamaman
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The only criticism I would offer is that IMO it's just red meat for the base addressing something that is fairly low on my own list of priorities of what are the real problems we face as a country.
flag burning is sick but its not exactly an important issue facing our country. all politicians throw red meat to their base so whatever.
People burning flags are retards.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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There is no symbol so sacred it's more valuable than our rights
The Pledge of Allegiance started bothering me in high school when I started to figure out the origins of it. Allegiance to the Constitution? Sure.
EO was yet another unforced error. Who is going to all of a sudden vote for JD Vance in a few years that wasn't going to anyway because of it?
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:05 pm to High C
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I think burning your own American flag in a certain context could bring inciting a riot charges.
Look man if you are going down this slippery slope just go ahead and get to the bottom where all forms of protest have the potential to incite a riot or violence and should be banned.
Trump is overstepping here and needs to be put in his place.
This post was edited on 8/25/25 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:10 pm to GumboPot
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I hate it, but burning the American flag is covered by the the 1st amendment, right?
No
No more than Roe was legal, separate but equal was legal, Obamacare is legal, or gay marriage is legal. Just because the courts carve out a niche finding thats not explicit in the Constitution doesnt make it legal.
You cant claim that "Speech" includes a destructive act. Sorry. If I set fire to anything other than the flag, I'm getting arrested and will be fined and forced to pay restitution
The flag should be no different
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:11 pm to RobbBobb
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If I set fire to anything other than the flag,
Not if it's your property. Buy a bunch of Korans and set the on fire on your own land, you're fine.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:13 pm to LemmyLives
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on your own land
Thats quite a huge leap isnt it?
How many complaints of burning a flag were based on someone in their backyard? They do it in public as a protest
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:16 pm to LSUTANGERINE
I did mean “can’t”
typing left handed on a phone
typing left handed on a phone
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:18 pm to GumboPot
Yes, this is dumb and will be relentlessly challenged by the libertarian right and the far left alike.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:24 pm to RobbBobb
It feels like most people can’t read the EO or have a hard time interpreting it. Including Massie. This is how the news cycle works. The news should read: Trumps new EO means if you burn an American flag you better make sure the act doesn’t break other laws or you will be prosecuted to the fulllest extent of the law.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:40 pm to GumboPot
I don't think you should be able to burn anything in a public street or sidewalk.
Could I take my trash out and burn it in front of city hall?? even if I call it a 'protest'
Could I take my trash out and burn it in front of city hall?? even if I call it a 'protest'
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:45 pm to GumboPot
It was a US Supreme Court decision, not an original constitutional concept. Just as Roe v Wade was “determined “ to be a woman’s right, doesn’t make it so. I’ve always been against the idea that burning a flag is somehow “speech“. It is a physical act of desecration against the symbol of a country.
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