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re: I hate identity politics. But some how Republicans need to expand their base

Posted on 11/10/22 at 4:04 pm to
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 11/10/22 at 4:04 pm to
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Reagan also left us with an amnesty bill as his parting gift that this country is still paying for. He grew the democrat base way, way more than he grew the Republican base.


Ignorant. The only reason we are even having a discussion right now is because of what Reagan did for the party in 1979-1980, and then again in 1984. The republican party was dead for all intents and purposes.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 4:04 pm to
Here's something to chew on;

My hometown of 5000 people, in rural WI, voted for radical dem Mandela Barnes over Ron Johnson.

Not by a lot, but a few hundred votes. The county overall went red, but the main "city" of 5k went blue.

We need to figure out exactly why. These people are not the sort you would expect to vote that way when talking to them.

*I do know one thing that is hurting the GOP. Religion is on the downswing, including in my hometown.
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
6061 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 4:04 pm to
there hasnt been a repulican president since i started voting in the 90's who has lived up to conservative principles. That includes Trump who spent money like a drunk Joe Biden. Sticking with fake convservative principles is what the GOP does best. On that note true progressive Dems hate the old guard in charge but they show up and vote.
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
18102 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 4:04 pm to
Democrats only have identity politics... ya won't beat them in that field. Unless ya use an identity Democrats shun. White people. Actively pander to white people. Like someone else in this thread said, there are a helluva lot of white people who don't vote.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 4:05 pm to
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Ignorant. The only reason we are even having a discussion right now is because of what Reagan did for the party in 1979-1980, and then again in 1984. The republican party was dead for all intents and purposes.



I was amazed to find the other day that the dems had 292 seats in the House in 1978.

292!
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
47593 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 4:07 pm to
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The only reason we are even having a discussion right now is because of what Reagan did for the party in 1979-1980, and then again in 1984. The republican party was dead for all intents and purposes


That doesn't change anything about the amnesty bill completely fricking this country into perpetuity. For as great as Reagan was, he really, really, really fricked up with that one.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14658 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 4:11 pm to
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That doesn't change anything about the amnesty bill completely fricking this country into perpetuity. For as great as Reagan was, he really, really, really fricked up with that one.



There has probably been an additional 20 million criminal illegals walk across our southern border since Reagan left office, which had nothing at all to do with that amnesty. Blaming Reagan 35 years later is ignorant.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
8996 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 4:17 pm to
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Actively pander to white people.


And how do you do that with out sounding racist?
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
20560 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 4:20 pm to
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I hate identity politics. But some how Republicans need to expand their base


The republican establishment has zero interest in expanding the base. They spent decades not even trying to campaign for any portion of the black vote. They were barely trying to make in roads with hispanics as well. The only republican that actually seriously campaigned for their votes was Trump, and the numbers of the 2020 election bare the progress he made. I guarantee you that if they are successful in pushing Trump out of the way, it will go right back to the way it's always been
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
27315 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 4:21 pm to
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We need to figure out exactly why. These people are not the sort you would expect to vote that way when talking to them.

Can you name three policies that Republicans ran on during this cycle that were aimed at reducing inflation, helping the economy or doing anything else that is specifically designed to make life better for Americans?

Democrats ran on combating the erosion of individual rights of Americans to self-determination against government interference (abortion-voting rights)

Democrats ran on their "inflation reduction act,"

Democrats were trying to push fuel prices down through release of some strategic reserves and increased oil and gas production

While you may find these to be futile gestures, at least they were trying to use policy to do something

What did Republicans actually propose?
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
18730 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 4:25 pm to
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Democrats ran on combating the erosion of individual rights of Americans to self-determination against government interference (abortion-voting rights)


Solution looking for a problem

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Democrats ran on their "inflation reduction act,"


The Inflation Reduction Act that's actually going to make inflation worse? Calling that bill the Inflation reduction Act would be the same as banning all electric cars and calling it the Emissions Reduction Act

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Democrats were trying to push fuel prices down through release of some strategic reserves and increased oil and gas production


For the election. Everything else the Biden administration has done since taking over has been an attack on oil/gas

Great policies
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
8384 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 4:28 pm to
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What did Republicans actually propose?



Why would the Republicans propose anything when your President and democrat Congress destroyed everything good the Republicans had in place? It's hilarious to me that democrat policy destroys good economy's and then the Democrats scream, how y'all gonna fix it?
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
47593 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 4:44 pm to
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The republican establishment has zero interest in expanding the base


Jesse Kelly has said that Democrats fear their base and Republicans hate theirs. RINOs don't want to do anything to get themselves excluded from the DC cocktail parties.
This post was edited on 11/10/22 at 4:45 pm
Posted by BoardReader
Arkansas
Member since Dec 2007
7364 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:17 pm to
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That's complete bs. The conservative women are way more vocal & out there stumping than the men are.


Except they aren't the rank and file voter-- and there aren't enough of those to win elections.

You have to win moderate Republican women and independent men. Them abstaining from voting Republican, is the death knell for candidates like Walker.

Like it or not, the Romneys of the world, the Kemps, even the Murkowskis of the world are a necessary evil, even if only to keep the really dangerous radicals from taking power.
Posted by MizzouBS
Missouri
Member since Dec 2014
6736 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 11:19 pm to
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For the election. Everything else the Biden administration has done since taking over has been an attack on oil/gas

Great policies


TBoy said
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Can you name three policies that Republicans ran on during this cycle that were aimed at reducing inflation, helping the economy or doing anything else that is specifically designed to make life better for Americans?


It’s not about great policies or real solution’s it’s saying what you need to say to get elected. I think Republicans got lazy and mainly ran against people and policies.

What the Democrats run on can be complete bullshite and people will believe in it. People want to be optimistic and believe in solutions even if they don’t understand what they hear.

Most of the Republicans ran on Pelosi, border, inflation, economy, and gas. The problem is you didn’t hear a lot of solutions from candidates. Almost all Republicans in blue and purple area’s also had to run from abortion and January 6th.

That is probably a few things that prevented a red wave

I think that is what TBoy might have been trying to say.

DeSantis runs on solutions and that is one of the reasons he is so popular

2020 Democrats ran against Trump and the only reason it worked was because so many people hated him. It was because of some of his policies, but most of it was they didn’t like the man. They saw him as a lying bully that sent mean tweets and made fun of people.
This post was edited on 11/10/22 at 11:28 pm
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
27315 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 8:53 am to
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Why would the Republicans propose anything ...

There's your answer. Republicans have no interest in policy or helping the citizens who elect them.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85439 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 8:59 am to
White non Hispanic is only 52% of the country and we are 50% of that.

Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85439 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 9:00 am to
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There's your answer. Republicans have no interest in policy or helping the citizens who elect them.


What do the democrats do that help you?

Seriously question, because Biden said he wasn’t going to do anything.

This post was edited on 11/11/22 at 9:01 am
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85439 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 9:02 am to
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Like it or not, the Romneys of the world


Funny you say this, I abstained from voting because Romney sucked and so did Obama.

Trump got me and millions back.

Y’all don’t want to believe this, but the Republican Party was dead and they kept trotting out losers. And bush didn’t help with lying to get us into war.
This post was edited on 11/11/22 at 9:04 am
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 9:03 am to
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Democrats ran on combating the erosion of individual rights of Americans to self-determination against government interference (abortion-voting rights)


Abortion is not a right, you overinflated bag of douche. It's the taking of human life. Government should stop that. Period. The right to life is a human right. The right to slaughter your children for convenience is not.
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