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re: I can't understand why the incident in Waco (David Koresh) is a tragedy
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:20 am to SherluckHomey
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:20 am to SherluckHomey
NIce melt BTW, rent free in your head little bitch
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:22 am to SherluckHomey
The Branch Davidians are not really sympathetic characters at all, and anyone who thinks the Feds started the fire is a nut job. But it is at minimum worth some reflection whether we want the Feds laying siege to American citizens who are doing nothing more than owning a lot of guns. (yes I know Koresh was up to heinous sexual things but that is not why the Feds were after him. It was all over guns.)
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 6:22 am
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:23 am to SherluckHomey
quote:Your goddamn mind
Am I missing something?
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:24 am to SherluckHomey
You're arguing semantics and playing a stupid game.
The actions of the Feds raiding the place directly set in motion events that led to the tragedy. Anytime an operation like that happens results in what happened that is a tragic failure of an operation.
You want to place all blame on koresh and the fire starters. And frick them. But for the stupid tactics of the fed agents, that place doesn't go up in flames and the massive loss of life doesn't happen.
The actions of the Feds raiding the place directly set in motion events that led to the tragedy. Anytime an operation like that happens results in what happened that is a tragic failure of an operation.
You want to place all blame on koresh and the fire starters. And frick them. But for the stupid tactics of the fed agents, that place doesn't go up in flames and the massive loss of life doesn't happen.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:25 am to Ace Midnight
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I mean, that guy killed himself in Baltimore and rioters burned part of the city down blaming the authorities
Not sure what you are trying to say.
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You break it? You bought it
Is this a way of saying that if someone kills themselves while facing law enforcement then the officers are responsible for the death?
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There is some dispute as to whether or not the gas used accelerated the fire and destruction and that other munitions used may have contributed to the fire and smoke
I bet the gasoline contributed more.
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ut that doesn't mean that every adult - the children's mothers for example - were complicit in their own deaths
Sure. 9 ran out of the fire. One woman ran out then decided to run back in but an agent grabbed her before she could burn herself.
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ou're aware there were a number of survivors of the fire, are you not
Quite aware. What does that have to do with the argument at hand?
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:25 am to SherluckHomey
Did you watch the new PBS Oklahoma City bombing documentary? Pretty well done. As far as I know the audio where you can hear the people in the compound setting the fuel for the fire is new to that documentary.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:25 am to SherluckHomey
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So would the death of 76 Natzis be considered tragic?
Absolutely. I'm Buddhist so any loss of life is tragic to me no matter the how of it happening. Even so I understand the necessity of ending a life at times when there is no other options. That doesn't mean I can't find it tragic. Tragic that this misguided person chose a life that led to their death. Tragic that another human was forced to end that life. We can't grow or improve a society if we constantly take that attitude of oh well shite happens.
So you can take your "gotcha" statement and get out of here with that bull.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:25 am to Strannix
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NIce melt BTW, rent free in your head little bitch
I bask in your melthood
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:26 am to SherluckHomey
The feds could have easily arrested him while he was in town.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:29 am to SherluckHomey
Of course I read you OP and you are cherry picking.
It's the same thing. It not two separate incidents.
Does not happen without
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I can't understand why the incident in Waco (David Koresh) is a tragedy
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Don't get me wrong, the children being burned by their parents is definitely a tragedy
It's the same thing. It not two separate incidents.
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the children being burned by their parents is definitely a tragedy,
Does not happen without
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incident in Waco (David Koresh)
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:30 am to mindbreaker
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So you can take your "gotcha" statement and get out of here with that bull.
Honestly, it was a simple example of how your overly emotional post was so full of logical flaws that it was laughable.
It took me 5 seconds to come up with an obvious example of how rediculous your outburst was
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I'm Buddhist so any loss of life is tragic to me no matter the how of it happening.
Awesome for you. Other people are burdened with conflicts of morality but your philosophy absolves you of having to answer the hard questions (like is killing Natzis a bad thing
)This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 6:31 am
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:32 am to SherluckHomey
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Awesome for you. Other people are burdened with conflicts of morality but your philosophy absolves you of having to answer the hard questions (like is killing Natzis a bad thing )
Speaking of ignoring parts of a post
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:32 am to SherluckHomey
Honestly, I didn't realize that so many of you guys defend the honor of a child molester.
I guys the consensus here is that child molesters deserve to live their life how they want.
I guys the consensus here is that child molesters deserve to live their life how they want.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:33 am to SherluckHomey
You know it can be both, right?
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:33 am to SherluckHomey
I think the best part of your trolling is the purposeful misspellings.
10/10
10/10
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:34 am to mindbreaker
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Speaking of ignoring parts of a post
Would you like me to address your assertion that David Koresh was forced to take his own life and the lives of his followers?
You wouldn't like my position on that as well.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:34 am to SherluckHomey
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I wouldn't bring it up if I were you either seeing as it's possible the Jonestown people didnt realize that they were drinking poison
You know they audio recorded the whole thing, right? They were very aware of what they were doing.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:35 am to the808bass
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think the best part of your trolling is the purposeful misspellings
It is always funny that when someone doesn't understand what is being said they label it as trolling.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:36 am to SherluckHomey
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Am I missing something?
Yeah, you are missing quite a bit. Though, I'm not surprised.
Let me make a short list for you.
1. Nobody set themselves on fire. The FBI drove tanks through the buildings and this caused the fire.
2. David Koresh could have been arrested in Waco any day of the week as he went to the Post Office daily. This was about the ATF attempting to prove its relevancy because there was talk of disbanding ATF at the time.
3. No child abuse was ever proven.
4. The FBI had information that David Koresh would give up, if allowed to speak to his grandmother and other family members. He wasn't allowed to speak to them because the FBI didn't want him to surrender. They wanted blood and they got it.
5. The FBI killed those people and the blood is on their hands, not on David Koresh however weird or deviant he may have been.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:36 am to northshorebamaman
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ou know they audio recorded the whole thing, right? They were very aware of what they were doing.
In that case I wouldn't label it a tragedy, but that was just addressing a side point someone was trying to make. I'm not too familiar with the happenings at Jonestown.
The fact that they recorded it doesn't alter my argument about the incidents at Waco.
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