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re: Hypothetical: If America was split into two countries

Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:50 am to
Posted by Great Plains Drifter
Flyover, U.S.A.
Member since Jul 2019
8577 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:50 am to
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Let's just say both factions of this country mutually decided it was in the best interest to split the country into two nations, let's call them Conservastan and Woketopia


The first and most fundamentally basic flaw to this hypothetical is Conservastan taking the word of/trusting the global socialists of Woketipia in the first place.

Socialism/Communism has always been - will always be about ultimate world domination. They would never leave a place alone.

Conservastan ought to have its arse kicked for believing Leftists finally decided to deal in good faith.
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
22409 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 9:03 am to
We could split off peacefully but the left would actually build a wall very similar to Berlin.

They aren’t doing it to stop the conservatives from coming in but to stop those from leaving their side
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
10310 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 9:05 am to
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The first and most fundamentally basic flaw to this hypothetical is Conservastan taking the word of/trusting the global socialists of Woketipia in the first place.

Socialism/Communism has always been - will always be about ultimate world domination. They would never leave a place alone.

Conservastan ought to have its arse kicked for believing Leftists finally decided to deal in good faith.


This was not really meant to be literal. It was just a thought experiment. That's why I said "hypotherical". More about understanding the behavior and psychology of each side.

That leftists are basically parasitic, and cannot function or survive if left to themselves and without a host to feed on.

That moderates are full of shite, and ultimately want to live in a country or community created by conservatives and their values. They just want to bitch about the process of what it takes to create the outcomes they enjoy.

And that conservatives have an issue of being able to conserve anything through multiple generations, because of human nature. With prosperity and comfort, each generation gets progressively weaker and more liberal.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
20484 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 9:09 am to
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Midwest is interesting because Illinois and Minnesota have some whackjob politics but do those states have enough population to run Rustbeltistan politics?


I could see more of an alliance with Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and maybe Michigan (they would try to get the Great Lakes part of Indiana to link the two, but Indiana won't give that up without a fight).
Posted by umrebel2009
Member since Feb 2010
8120 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 10:11 am to
Dem America would become North Korea, Republican America would be South Korea
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14658 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 10:21 am to
Red should include all of the yellow except Colorado, Missouri, Iowa, Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio, and West Virginia.
Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
Member since Jan 2019
2327 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 10:21 am to
1960s: the Berlin Wall and student unrest
The mass exodus of skilled East German labour to the prosperous West posed major problems for the DDR. Although the East German government closed the inner-German border in the 1950s, the Berlin border crossings remained open. The construction of the Berlin Wall on 13 August 1961 closed this last route of escape from the DDR and cemented the division of Germany.

With the inner-German border turned into a death trap by minefields, barricades and sharpshooters, only a few East German citizens attempted to escape. Internal dissent and opposition was suppressed by the vast surveillance apparatus of the Ministry for State Security (Stasi). The result was stabilization of the political and economic situation in East Germany.

The end of the flow of East German workers to West Germany meant that its booming economy became even more dependent on the recruitment of workers from outside Europe, who enriched West German society with their culture and culinary tastes. Whilst student unrest after 1968 led to social reforms, from the more radical elements of the student movement emerged the Baader-Meinhof Gang, which subjected West Germany to a campaign of terror.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116629 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 11:13 am to
Conservastan would have football. The liberals would ban all forms of toxic masculinity.
Posted by blueridgeTiger
Granbury, TX
Member since Jun 2004
22010 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 11:18 am to
Texas would be an independent country unto itself and not part of the old CSA.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293506 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 11:20 am to
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The liberals would ban all forms of toxic masculinity.


A lot of gay pride parades and cabarets.

Its a feminine ideology.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
32909 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 11:26 am to
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You really think a country with economic powers like California and New York would "produce nothing of value"?
Not for long.

Energy restrictions, price controls, higher taxation, broader welfare, outlawing internal combustion engines, etc.

Leftists won’t admit it, but if they were given carte blanche to pass all of their progressive agenda without the courts or public opinion intervening, it would be an absolute complete disaster and failure.
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
10310 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 11:57 am to
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Leftists won’t admit it, but if they were given carte blanche to pass all of their progressive agenda without the courts or public opinion intervening, it would be an absolute complete disaster and failure.


They play a game of 3 card monte. It's designed to give red meat to their base, but they ultimately depend on a certain level of reasonable conservatives in legislature and courts to come in a reign them back from actually delivering everything their base wants. They know that if they really do implement the crazy AOC green new deal shite across the board, it would be a disaster. The right basically comes in and saves them from themselves, and then gets demonized foe it.

You take away any form of guard rails on the left, they would go running off a cliff in no time. Amd then they would all be howling and screaming that someone needs to come and save them.
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
24977 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 11:59 am to
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This is pretty close


I know we love the south but it has a pretty major issue lol
Posted by TigerSooner
Member since Nov 2023
3569 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 1:06 pm to
Force all demoncraps into one area so that Americans can have the rest to ourselves.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
20484 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 2:30 pm to
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Texas would be an independent country unto itself and not part of the old CSA.


That was actually part of a theory that, had the CSA won the Civil War, Texas would have returned to being an independent country.

In the hypothetical situation presented here, we might do so but would have an alliance with the rest of the South.

(Though if Louisiana didn't clean up its corruption, we might take it over. Same if New Mexico starts acting up. And oil won't be the primary reason in either case.)
Posted by southpawcock
Member since Oct 2015
16629 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 2:46 pm to
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hordes of orcs that have been festering in Woketopia for generations


Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
73738 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 2:49 pm to
Rurals vs the Urbanites.
Posted by MizzouBS
Missouri
Member since Dec 2014
6732 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 3:47 pm to
1. Texas
2. AL, LA, MS, and Arkansas
3. Alaska
4. Rest of the US

Those are the only 5 states that might have the votes to succeed. Texas does not want LA, AR, AL, and MS in there country
Posted by MountaineerPatriot
Member since Aug 2024
134 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 10:18 pm to
Realistically the lower 48 would split into five countries:

West Coast: California, Western Oregon, Western Washington, Southern Nevada (Las Vegas).

Mountain West: Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, eastern Oregon, eastern Washington, Nevada (outside of southern Nevada), Arizona, Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas.

South: Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansas, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Georgia, Florida (outside of South Florida and Florida Keys), North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia (outside of NOVA) and West Virginia.

Midwest: Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan

Northeast: New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Maryland, Delaware, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine and DC. Also NOVA.

Alaska would either become a part of Canada or become an Independent country, I'm guessing with the lack of overall resources become part of Canada.

Hawaii gets what it thinks it's always wanted and becomes an Independent country again.

South Florida and the Florida Keys, largely being the Cultural capital of Latin America, would split off and become it's own Independent country.

Southern Nevada/Las Vegas is more tied culturally and economically to California than it is the rest of Nevada.

While I could see Kentucky going to the Midwest or even Missouri going to the South, I ultimately think Kentucky goes to the South and Missouri goes to the Midwest. West Virginia and Virginia (outside of NOVA) would definitely join the south as they would have nothing in common with the Northeast.
This post was edited on 9/20/24 at 10:19 pm
Posted by MountaineerPatriot
Member since Aug 2024
134 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 10:22 pm to
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1. Texas
2. AL, LA, MS, and Arkansas
3. Alaska
4. Rest of the US

Those are the only 5 states that might have the votes to succeed. Texas does not want LA, AR, AL, and MS in there country


Texas would take Oklahoma, Louisiana, Arkansas and Mississippi. Louisiana still has a good amount of oil production and of course Louisiana, Mississippi and Arkansas still have access to the Mississippi River. It might be popular to act like Mississippi River access is irrelevant in today's day and age, but it is still a vital economic resource. Plus the water resources that Louisiana, Mississippi and Arkansas provide would still be valuable to Texas considering that Texas is always susceptible to significant periods of drought.
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