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re: Hungary is not paying fine for refusing to take in immigrants

Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:52 am to
Posted by Jack Carter
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:52 am to
The USA will now try a coup/assassination. CIA is already hard at work.
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
22090 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:52 am to
Hungary can then not send €200 M in taxes to the EU. This is the way
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476304 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:53 am to
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But I would think that this is "clearly " the opposite. Hungary is saying we'd rather have our sovereignty than your (EU) "benefits"


Then why not leave?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
476304 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:53 am to
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Your idea of costs of membership is

That's how the EU is choosing to handle this.

Again, if those costs are too much, Hungary can leave.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:54 am to
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Explain to us why the E.U. is forcing migration on countries that clearly don't want it.

I don't know, and for the purposes of this discussion it's irrelevant.

That's how the EU is handling this and Hungary is in violation of the rules of the organization they voluntarily agreed to join.
Posted by Dixie2023
Member since Mar 2023
5177 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:55 am to
They keep it up and maybe some will leave, peacefully, or not.
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
12827 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:56 am to
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I imagine it's not long until the EU starts to remove EU benefits, and looks into if they can expel member states.


They wont expell anybody, then they couldnt control them at all. They'll just threaten and take away things from Hungary to try to make them capitulate.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298489 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:57 am to
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and Hungary is in violation of the rules of the organization


Good for Hungary

Hope they stick to their guns. Selling out leads to more dysfunction.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
476304 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:57 am to
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Can you or someone outline why accepting certain numbers of non European immigrants is a EU requirement?

I don't know and it's irrelevant to this discussion.

quote:

Well they can like the UK. In their case the will of the people to crack down on immigration was why they left, but since them voting to leave the immigration numbers have gotten worse and worse. Why is this? Can anyone actually explain it?

Different type of immigrant.

The UK didn't like the eastern Europeans (like Hungarians) coming into the UK to undercut British workers. That was a major issue of Brexit.

These new immigrants are a completely different type/issue.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26427 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:59 am to

Buck Frussels. They are stupidly trying to destroy Western civilization by importing hordes of incompatible migrants.
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:59 am to
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I don't know, and for the purposes of this discussion it's irrelevant.


I don’t know why the Missouri compromise was so contentious, but for the purposes of the discussion South Carolina should just secede
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
476304 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:00 am to
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I don’t know why the Missouri compromise was so contentious, but for the purposes of the discussion South Carolina should just secede

They can't. There was a war over that.

As I said, ITT, the UK just showed that it's fully legal for Hungary to withdraw from the EU.
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:05 am to
Hungary is too irrelevant to have the luxury of being so present in America’s psyche to risk moves like this

So they leave, and if not sanctioned automatically by the US and EU, they will be as soon as they turn to their only other options for trade. They know this, everyone knows it

So again, why is immigration being forced on countries to the point they are facing these kind of decisions that we obviously don’t want to happen? It has to be worth a tremendous amount to somebody, who is that and why?

And no I’m not saying it’s the Jews, this is not about them.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
476304 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:08 am to
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Hungary is too irrelevant to have the luxury of being so present in America’s psyche to risk moves like this

What?

quote:

So they leave, and if not sanctioned automatically by the US and EU, they will be as soon as they turn to their only other options for trade.

So you're saying they enjoy the benefits of the EU? I already said that.

Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:10 am to
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What?


Did we sanction the UK? If not, why?

You already basically agreed that Hungary would be sanctioned if they left. Why is that?
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
131484 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:13 am to
Hungary can leave the EU

Get their own currency and peg it to the US dollar
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
476304 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:15 am to
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You already basically agreed that Hungary would be sanctioned if they left.

No I didn't.

I said the EU is a better trading partner than their alternatives, which is why they do all of this without a hint of threatening to leave.

Hence, they enjoy the benefits of EU membership but not the costs.

Which has been what I have said this entire thread.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:16 am to
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Irrelevant to the discussion


How so?
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
13199 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:16 am to
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Nobody forced Hungary to join the EU and get all the benefits from the association


Statists gonna State
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
82261 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:17 am to
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There was a war over that.


That war only reinforced the age old adage that might makes right.

It didn't settle the secession question.

We finally settled it by signing into the U.N. Charter which officially recognizes the right of self-determination of peoples.
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