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re: Hungary is not paying fine for refusing to take in immigrants
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:17 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:17 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Good. They are a sovereign nation, after all
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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We've spent that for the US.
Pax Americana, and all.
Look at our economy/SOL compared to everyone else (including Europe) and it's hard to argue the investment didn't pay us back.
probably the dumbest thing I've seen posted on this forum as of late. how exactly did all that money benefit the US?
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:18 am to Tantal
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Explain to us why the E.U. is forcing migration on countries that clearly don't want it.
Because the EU is controlled by globalists that want to merge the 3rd world with modern society to cause chaos so they can grab more power. Just like they are doing in the US.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:22 am to NIH
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How so?
It's the current EU policy.
The "why?" is an irrelevant digression.
If Hungary has an answer to "why?" and wants to change things, the proper response is to try to sway the European Parliament.
If they can't do this, and think the costs of the EU policy are too high, they can leave, like the UK.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:22 am to jrobic4
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Statists gonna State
I don't know if you know this, but I am not the state of Hungary.
This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 11:23 am
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:24 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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Because the EU is controlled by globalists that want to merge the 3rd world with modern society to cause chaos so they can grab more power. Just like they are doing in the US.
SFP calls this irrelevant.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:26 am to Goonie02
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how exactly did all that money benefit the US?
International trade and the economic development of the third world after the fall of the USSR was extremely beneficial to the US.
International trade becoming the norm was only possible via Pax Americana, leading to the most peaceful time in human history (according to many).
More trade, more liberalism (capitalism, democracy, freedom, etc.) in shitholes = decreased war.
The US has benefited the most in the aggregate from this system (although a lot of very poor countries have benefited a great deal).
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:27 am to Speckhunter2012
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SFP calls this irrelevant.
Even if his CT is correct, it is irrelevant to the discussion.
If Hungary fears "globalists merging Hungary with the third world", they can....leave the EU.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:28 am to Speckhunter2012
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SFP calls this irrelevant.
SFP's general answers amount to nothing more than: Welp, it's the letter of the law and the policies and rules put in place by the agencies. If they don't like it, they are free to leave. Sorry, but it's the policy. Now, bend over and take it like a compliant little underling.
We need to listen to him, because him is much more smarter than the rest of us. Just ask him.
This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 11:30 am
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:29 am to OccamsStubble
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Good. They are a sovereign nation, after all
Words like sovereign and nationalism cause soy boys to piss their pants. Crazy how mass authoritarian collectivism has taken over the world wide left.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:30 am to MemphisGuy
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Welp, it's the letter of the law and the policies and rules put in place by the agencies.
Is that somehow now not applicable?
Again, Hungary voluntarily joined the EU. They can voluntarily withdraw.
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If they don't like it, they are free to leave.
What's wrong with this?
They can also try to lobby the EU Parliament, but I think we all know this would be pointless.
Let me put it this way: what other option do you think Hungary should have? Promoting a policy EU members should ignore whatever regulations they dislike?
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:31 am to SlowFlowPro
What the EU is doing is forcing member countries to accept migrants / illegals / refugees without any border checks or verifications status.
All Hungary is doing is enforcing border checks. Migrants can still enter, if they pass all the appropriate background checks.
The EU does not like that Hungary is doing this, subsequently they are imposing a daily fine.
All Hungary is doing is enforcing border checks. Migrants can still enter, if they pass all the appropriate background checks.
The EU does not like that Hungary is doing this, subsequently they are imposing a daily fine.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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The US has benefited the most in the aggregate from this system
I agree that the early years of the hegemony has been relatively profitable. I don't see it being sustainable long term. The cost to maintain it is enormous, financially and psychologically.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:32 am to MemphisGuy
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SFP's general answers amount to nothing more than: Welp, it's the letter of the law and the policies and rules put in place by the agencies.
He's just part of the larger complacent society that believes law makes right and money trumps all..
Another part of it is his emotional reaction to anything he considers a "globalist" topic in which he will spout the left wing scriptures.
This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 11:33 am
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:33 am to ike221
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What the EU is doing is forcing member countries to accept migrants / illegals / refugees without any border checks or verifications status.
I think we all agree this is the current EU policy.
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All Hungary is doing is enforcing border checks.
In violation of the rules of an organization they voluntarily remain apart of.
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The EU does not like that Hungary is doing this
Because it violates the regulations of the EU, currently, just as if Hungary was charging the wrong tariffs or selling goods for too low.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
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He's just part of the larger complacent society that believes law makes right and money trumps all..
SFP to Rosa Parks: Sorry, lady, you need to go to the back of the bus. It's the law. If you don't like it, you are free to move or lobby to change the law. Until then, get to the back of the bus.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:35 am to MemphisGuy
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SFP to Rosa Parks: Sorry, lady, you need to go to the back of the bus. It's the law.
They walk among us.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:35 am to TrueTiger
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I don't see it being sustainable long term.
I dunno, the gap seems to have widened, especially after Covid.
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The cost to maintain it is enormous
Theoretically, we would hopefully be able to spend less in time.
There aren't that many countries who haven't bought into the system.
Getting SA to fully buy in and having Russia falter would be huge steps in this direction. China squashing NK once and for all would, too.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:35 am to RogerTheShrubber
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He's just part of the larger complacent society that believes law makes right and money trumps all..
I never made a subjective evaluation that said anything was "right" in this discussion.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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I never made a subjective evaluation
You have, you just dont realize it.
You think youre playing a role, while that role has actually taken over you.
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