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re: How much innovation have we lost due to legal abortion?
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:22 pm to weagle99
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:22 pm to weagle99
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The other side is that within that 56,000,000 number there would have certainly been a percentage that contributed greatly to society, and if not those people directly perhaps their children today or in the future. Lets just say for argument that 0.25% of that population would have been important contributors to the country. That is 14,000 people that could have done great things.
Wouldn't it be funny if the person who would have ended abortion was aborted?
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:23 pm to Rex
Our planet probably wouldn't be here if not for abortion.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:40 pm to OMLandshark
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OMLandshark
You seem upset.
And, I don't see how my original posts states that 99.75% of all aborted children would have grown up to be criminals or wards of the state. I used the words 'important contributors' for a reason.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:45 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The best reasoning against abortion, in my opinion, is the irresponsible mindset it creates. The fact that it essentially functions as a form of birth control in the vast majority of cases is a terrible abuse of something that should only be used in very isolated instances.
What he said^
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:52 pm to maine82
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Additionally, the big reasons that the crime rate went down from the 1980s that we can quantify is continued economic recovery that began in 1983 and the decline of the crack cocaine epidemic. Saying that abortion contributed to that may be true, but it's still speculative.
The trend was present since the 50s and only subsided since the mid-80s. The fact of the matter is I've gone to bars every weekend for the past 4 years, and honestly, I may have seen 8 fights total. Gens X and Y are at large less violent generations. I don't think this was at all the case 30 years ago. The Boomers were a violent generation, every single graph you can find supports it. They enjoyed violence more so than my generation does.
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2) Also, we're assuming that we would have 57 million more children. Right now, abortion is a backstop, the option of last resort. If abortion is no longer a backstop, birth control and the morning after pill become the backstops. Logic would suggest that usage of those things would increase.
I'm actually stating the best case scenario, since I'd probably put it closer to 70 million people if not higher if these kids were all born. Anyone born from 1973 to 1995 would likely have a pregnancy scare at least at one point, and likely have a kid.
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3) The idea that those who were aborted would have disproportionately been criminals is preposterous
If you think it is, then you are blissfully ignorant. I guarantee if you ended all unwanted pregnancies in America that don't have a father in their lives and the financial means to support them, then crime at large will decrease. What type of kids don't study in school and beat the dogshit out of other kids? I'd bet serious cash that they all have serious problems at home and are in some way jealous of others.
Hell, look at that chart I just posted. Seems like some pretty good evidence that abortion decreases crime rates.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:53 pm to weagle99
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You seem upset.
Not upset, I just enjoy going on a long rant.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:34 pm to weagle99
Meh without abortion the GOP would probably not have a shot in hell at winning elections 
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:39 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Roger Klarvin
How much innovation have we lost due to legal abortion?
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i doubt you're an idiot
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i'd like to know why you think that
Some pretty advanced calculations have been done on this, anticipating the effects on population if certain causes of death plummeted or were eliminated.
Cancer kills about 9 million people in the world annually and single handidly drops the average lifespan across the globe by over 5 years. If eliminated cancer, the world's population would double roughly every 25 years.
At our current rate, the population will be between 13 to 16 billion by 2100. Taking cancer out of the equation, that number balloons to around 60 billion.
This planet cannot currently sustain anywhere close to that number of people.
fair enough ... tho, it's a rather callous argument to be made against cancer prevention (not accusing you of explicitly stating that) ... humans will eventually over-populate, with or without diseases ...
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:48 pm to weagle99
We allowed 56 mill Innocent babies to be murdered! It doesn't matter what they could have been, they didn't get that chance.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:50 pm to weagle99
We just imported 60 million third world immigrants in their place.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:54 pm to maine82
Abortion is society's solution to the shortcomings of a socialist society.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:04 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:I would like a link to those "advanced calculations". I think that the lack of cancer would lead to other illnesses later in life which would have to be considered, as well as increased fatalities and other Darwin and physiological considerations with a larger population and limited resources.
Cancer kills about 9 million people in the world annually and single handidly drops the average lifespan across the globe by over 5 years. If eliminated cancer, the world's population would double roughly every 25 years.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:09 pm to weagle99
quote:Just for fun, and to challenge your limited math skills, how many people not aborted since Roe v Wade have done "great things" in this country...
The other side is that within that 56,000,000 number there would have certainly been a percentage that contributed greatly to society, and if not those people directly perhaps their children today or in the future. Lets just say for argument that 0.25% of that population would have been important contributors to the country. That is 14,000 people that could have done great things.
..given the 0.25% of population that you say achieve "great things"?
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:44 pm to weagle99
Like you. What if you'd been aborted? I wouldn't have read this really great post.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:26 am to UL-SabanRival
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And some would have been child molesters and shemale prostitutes. What's your point?
You obviously don't read good, Zoolander
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:27 am to Rex
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Wouldn't it be funny if the person who would have ended abortion was aborted?
Wouldn't it be funny if the founder of Planned Parenthood was an ardent eugenics supporter who expressly stated thar her goal was to limit and decrease the African American population.....oh wait
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:31 am to TT9
quote:holy frick
Our planet probably wouldn't be here if not for abortion.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:33 am to TT9
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Our planet probably wouldn't be here if not for abortion.
No shite?
Where would it be then?
The galaxy next door?
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:58 am to Roger Klarvin
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While I agree that we have likely lost many great minds (and this, among other things, is why I'm largely against abortion) by the same token we have likely lost thousands of murderers, rapists, child molesters and maybe even a Hitler or two.
This is a great point. OP, do you want another Hitler???
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:59 am to weedGOKU666
Abortions have saved us from one, maybe even two Hitlers. The lesser of two evils and all.
Think of the Hitlers, people.
Think of the Hitlers, people.
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