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re: How has the gun not been more traceable. It is not easy to find untraceable guns for most
Posted on 9/11/25 at 9:20 pm to dnm3305
Posted on 9/11/25 at 9:20 pm to dnm3305
Most of those guys can be seen in all of his online content so yes he had personal relationships with them. As someone who’s worked protective details, no one wants to lose a client on the job. This is a fricking idiotic theory
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Posted on 9/11/25 at 9:44 pm to lsufan1971
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Spent round-matched to the rifling on the rifle.
Have you ever seen “Shooter” with Marky Mark Wahlberg?
Posted on 9/11/25 at 9:51 pm to ItTakesAThief
Why haven’t they shown detailed photographs of the entire gun?
Wouldn’t that possibly help a family member, a parent maybe or a friend, say “hey my Mauser is missing” or “that looks like the one I gave Skye for his/her birthday.”
Wouldn’t that possibly help a family member, a parent maybe or a friend, say “hey my Mauser is missing” or “that looks like the one I gave Skye for his/her birthday.”
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:09 pm to Murph4HOF
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But in all likelihood, the company that imported the Mauser has been closed for a long time, the distributor it sold to has been out of business, and the original gun store is out of business, all before records became digitalised.
The chain of custody of all manufactured and imported firearms is thorough. There will be records of who imported or made the firearm, what FFL it was transferred to, what individual purchased the firearm, etc...all based on serial number.
FFLs have to maintain the 4473 forms (background check, purchasers name, serial number, state issued ID, social security number, etc) for as long as they are in business, and the forms must be readily accessible at all times for ATF inspection.
If the business closes, they have to go through a lot of steps with the ATF, including turning over all of their transfer records and 4473s to the government. It's not like a corner Q-store closing. These records are mandatory.
Now who knows if this slapdick was dumb enough to purchase the rifle himself or if it changed hands through private sales one or many times. But rest assured, there is a lot of easily accessible history available to the government for every firearm manufactured or imported. What happens to the firearm downstream could be a different story.
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Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:15 pm to Mister Completely
This was a Mauser man. That thing may have been imported way before the GCA of 1968. And there is no telling how many face to face sales that rifle has went thru.
And that is even if the serial numbers weren't defaced on the rifle.
And that is even if the serial numbers weren't defaced on the rifle.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:19 pm to Murph4HOF
its an M18 Mauser with a synthetic stock currently priced at 850 bucks new.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:21 pm to ItTakesAThief
I blame Obama’s fast and furious gun running.
Obama killed Charlie Kirk.
Obama killed Charlie Kirk.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:22 pm to coonass27
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Trace it to what? There is no “gun purchase database”.
There are traces conducted by the ATF every single day. They say there is no database. But they know how to track a gun by the serial number. They know who filled out the 4473 form to buy that gun initially.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:24 pm to Murph4HOF
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This was a Mauser man. That thing may have been imported way before the GCA of 1968. And there is no telling how many face to face sales that rifle has went thru.
I get that about private sales, which is what I said in my post. Mauser 98s and 18s are still imported and domestically made and sold quite a bit. Just because it's a Mauser doesn't mean it's some relic from 1938 or even pre GCA.
May be wishful thinking on my part but I would love for it to be on record as a fairly recent sale with a paper trail.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:24 pm to Trevaylin
All I have heard was a Mauser in .30-06. I assumed it was a Kar 98 that had been rebarrelled into .30-06.
Didn't know it was something new. Thanks.
Didn't know it was something new. Thanks.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:25 pm to Murph4HOF
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This was a Mauser man. That thing may have been imported way before the GCA of 1968. And there is no telling how many face to face sales that rifle has went thru. And that is even if the serial numbers weren't defaced on the rifle.
It is a Mauser m18. The m18 was introduced at SHOT show in 2018. Everyone heard Mauser and pictured some WWII K98. Nope. New rifle you can go buy tomorrow for $650 or so.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:27 pm to lsufan1971
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:27 pm to ItTakesAThief
You watch too many movies and don't know how the real world works. They are not going to run out and give anyone's defense attorney any heads up on anything they don't need to.
This is real life boys and girls. They are not doing shite this to meet your online Sherlock Holmes agenda.
This is real life boys and girls. They are not doing shite this to meet your online Sherlock Holmes agenda.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:27 pm to Mister Completely
We'll see I guess. I also hope there is enough of a paper trail to help with the investigation instead of a "it was imported by InterArms in 1977 and sold at a K-Mart in 1978".
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:28 pm to Trevaylin
Has that been confirmed? It sure looked like a sporterized surplus rifle to me with a shitty bolt turn down job and a spectacularly horrible scope mounting job.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:36 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
It was a supremely shitty job of mounting the scope. But it did not look like a surplus rifle.
If it was he 1) had to have it rebarreled, 2) had the whole barreled action refinished so the bluing of the 85 year old receiver exactly matched the new barrel, 3) dropped it in a new stock (that looks exactly like the stock a new factory m18 comes in).
Seems unlikely for someone who didn’t know to put his head down on the stock to get a proper eye relief.
If it was he 1) had to have it rebarreled, 2) had the whole barreled action refinished so the bluing of the 85 year old receiver exactly matched the new barrel, 3) dropped it in a new stock (that looks exactly like the stock a new factory m18 comes in).
Seems unlikely for someone who didn’t know to put his head down on the stock to get a proper eye relief.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:38 pm to DCtiger1
Plus, why would they need to signal ?
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:43 pm to Mister Completely
quote:No
The chain of custody of all manufactured and imported firearms is thorough.
You're aware that the rifle in question is a sporterized Mauser, in 30-06, correct?
For quite a long time after WW2, many companies imported these surplus rifles, and/or people brought them home. For a very long time you could get one without much fuss at all, you could even mail order them for awhile. And yeah, at first you'd want to get it chambered in 30-06 because that was a round available in the US, instead of 8mm. Made it more practical as a shooter.
Even after the ATF eventually tightened things up on importing and buying from shops, face to face sales remain a thing. I knew someone who helped someone work on the transmission of his Ford truck, guy gave him a shotgun as payment. Completely legal.
You take a gun brought into the US in the 50's, and sold to somebody else in the 70's, that stays off the radar until and unless it finds it's way into a pawn or gun shop in recent times.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:45 pm to Murph4HOF
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But in all likelihood, the company that imported the Mauser has been closed for a long time, the distributor it sold to has been out of business, and the original gun store is out of business, all before records became digitalised.
I have a 270 Mauser with an eagle and swastika stamp on the action. No telling how many hands it has been through.
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:50 pm to captdalton
quote:Bolt doesn't look like an M18 to me
It is a Mauser m18. The m18 was introduced at SHOT show in 2018. Everyone heard Mauser and pictured some WWII K98. Nope
Like someone else said, it looks like a sporterized Mauser, with a turned down bolt. Like this, but with the bolt turned down.
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