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re: How handy would Bagram Airbase be right now?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 11:26 am to SquatchDawg
Posted on 4/4/26 at 11:26 am to SquatchDawg
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So your position is that we couldn’t maintain Bagram without escalating the war?
How could we?
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At least long enough to get our people and billions worth of shite out of there?
That is an ENTIRELY different discussion
You are conflating again
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Posted on 4/4/26 at 11:27 am to SquatchDawg
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So we can blow the shite up in their country for 20 years but won’t be able to defend an airbase…in the desert…with all of our capabilities?
With all of our capabilities? You mean...re-invading ?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 11:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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negotiating from a position of strength.
Refer us to your literal definition of "position of strength"
We know you never inject your inner "hopium" onto any topic of discussion here.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 11:46 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:As I I've repeatedly pointed out, your presumption is staying in Bagram would guarantee resumption of war. That is a possibility, but nowhere near the only possibility. Trump had something else in mind at the time. He has something else in mind, when he's re-approaching the Bagram situation now ... obviously.
did Trump make a comment that he would have maintained and resumed the war instead?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 11:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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How could we?
In the same way we operate a base in the middle of Cuba???
Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:01 pm to ChineseBandit58
The premise of your argument is that we would be escalating a 20 year war by maintaining an airbase that we had continually controlled for more than a decade?
This post was edited on 4/4/26 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:07 pm to SquatchDawg
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Anyone that claims that how the Biden administration executed the withdrawal from Afghanistan was somehow Trumps fault isn’t somebody to take seriously. That’s it.
Who made that argument?
Personally I’ve maintained that both of them fricked up plenty of things related to the exit, but there is no scenario where Bagram base is retained after Trump signs Doha & withdraws 10,000 troops leaving only 2000 left in the region.
Unless you are suggesting re-escalating the conflict. The fact that we controlled the base during the war has nothing to do with the fact that Trump signed an agreement to withdraw all troops + no provisions for maintaining a base as part of the treaty to end the war.
You’re just basically arguing that you didn’t like the Doha agreement.
This post was edited on 4/4/26 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:10 pm to DeathByTossDive225
quote:No.
You’re just basically arguing that you didn’t like the Doha agreement.
The argument is Potatobrain did not insist on the Taliban meeting its conditions.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:14 pm to NC_Tigah
Anyone who was there knows the ground work for the withdrawal, including the transfer of Bagram, was all Trump’s idea.
He is just as much an architect of the Fall of Bagram as anyone. For months leading up to his eventual turnover of power to Biden, Trump forced the Army to transfer equipment to the afghans or destroy it.
Biden wouldn’t even had time to draft military plans of that magnitude.
He is just as much an architect of the Fall of Bagram as anyone. For months leading up to his eventual turnover of power to Biden, Trump forced the Army to transfer equipment to the afghans or destroy it.
Biden wouldn’t even had time to draft military plans of that magnitude.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:24 pm to RFK
quote:Go ahead and back that stupidity up with a link. Potatobrain & Co devolved a controlled withdrawal into a French-style retreating melee.
For months leading up to his eventual turnover of power to Biden, Trump forced the Army to transfer equipment to the afghans or destroy it.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:31 pm to NC_Tigah
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No. The argument is Potatobrain did not insist on the Taliban meeting its conditions.
No it isn’t. The argument is that Biden is the reason we don’t have a permanent base in Afghanistan.
By the time Biden was in office, taking and defending Bagram would’ve meant sending troops back to Afghanistan. You would’ve fricking melted.
Also please remind me …you keep complaining about the trustworthiness of the Taliban. Who decided to bypass the Afghan govt to deal with the Taliban instead?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:42 pm to teke184
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Those dumbfricks thought “We won’t have enough troops for an embassy and an air base” and shitcanned the air base overnight.
This is exactly what happened. I have it on good order from one who was intricately involved in the planning - we’re talking someone with multiple stars, not just some O5 that heard it second hand.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:46 pm to DeathByTossDive225
quote:The Washington Post, tied Biden’s decisions directly to the disintegration of the Afghan forces.
The argument is that Biden is the reason we don’t have a permanent base in Afghanistan.
By the time Biden was in office, taking and defending Bagram would’ve meant sending troops back to Afghanistan.
quote:When the WaPo says "The final Taliban offensive began only when the US troop pullout was nearly complete," it refers to Potatobrain's military fiasco in the summer of 2021.
“Many argued that a mere 2,500 US troops could make no difference. The history of the past few months repudiates this view: The final Taliban offensive began only when the US troop pullout was nearly complete.”
If the United States left 2,500 troops in the country and continued to provide air support to Afghan troops, it “was enough to maintain a tenuous equilibrium in which the Taliban made advances in the countryside, but every city remained in government hands,”
quote:No complaints. Just observations regarding the conditionality of Doha, the Taliban's adherence to those conditions until Trump left office, and their lack of adherence afterwards.
…you keep complaining about the trustworthiness of the Taliban.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:47 pm to NC_Tigah
Troops were ordered to begin the withdrawal in mid 2020. 4 months before the election. This continued all the way until Biden’s inauguration.
He just continued to play the hand he was dealt. I don’t need a link. I have the inside information.
He just continued to play the hand he was dealt. I don’t need a link. I have the inside information.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:48 pm to RFK
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He just continued to play the hand he was dealt.
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I have the inside information.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:51 pm to Jbird
Where am I wrong here?
Did Trump not sign the peace deal in Feb 2020?
Did he not order the massive reduction in military force and the redeployment/transfer of property to the afghans? (Mainly real property)?
Or was the Afghanistan War rocking and rolling at full speed on 20 Jan. 2021, only for Biden to swiftly bring it to an end himself?
What are your thoughts.
Did Trump not sign the peace deal in Feb 2020?
Did he not order the massive reduction in military force and the redeployment/transfer of property to the afghans? (Mainly real property)?
Or was the Afghanistan War rocking and rolling at full speed on 20 Jan. 2021, only for Biden to swiftly bring it to an end himself?
What are your thoughts.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:52 pm to NC_Tigah
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The final Taliban offensive began only when the US troop pullout was nearly complete
Which is why criticism of the execution is warranted.
What does that have to do with the fact that sending troops back in to try and secure and then maintain a permanent base would have been an escalation and all but voided any previous agreement?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:54 pm to RFK
quote:Not in dispute.
Troops were ordered to begin the withdrawal in mid 2020.
Now, back up your contention that "For months leading up to his eventual turnover of power to Biden, Trump forced the Army to transfer equipment to the afghans or destroy it."
Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:54 pm to RFK
The hand he was dealt?
You have the "inside" information!
You have the "inside" information!
Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:56 pm to Jbird
Your deflection has been noted.
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