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Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:59 pm to DeathByTossDive225
quote:No troops needed to be sent back in. They simply needed to be allowed to force the Taliban to abide conditions of Doha, and at the end, they needed to be deployed differently. But there we are conflating Trump's plans with Biden's, and Biden's terrible execution of both.
What does that have to do with the fact that sending troops back in
Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:59 pm to RFK
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Did Trump not sign the peace deal in Feb 2020?
Did he not order the massive reduction in military force and the redeployment/transfer of property to the afghans? (Mainly real property)?
Whats more, it was universally hail hailed by everyone on this board at the time (and rightfully so).
Posted on 4/4/26 at 1:02 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:From the moment the “peace deal” was signed, the DOD was primarily focused on the massive enclaving and transfer of countless FOBs and their equipment to the Afghan Army (under the Government of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan).
Now, back up your contention that "For months leading up to his eventual turnover of power to Biden, Trump forced the Army to transfer equipment to the afghans or destroy it."
Not sure how it was when you served, but you don’t execute a massive drawdown and keep the same amount of bases operating. It’s a force protection issue.
On top of that, retrograding the amount of property we put into Afghanistan over 20 years to America would have taken 3 years if we ran every C-17 we had 24/7. But that’s not feasible, so you give it to the afghans or destroy it if it’s sensitive equipment.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 1:13 pm to NC_Tigah
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No troops needed to be sent back in. They simply needed to be allowed to force the Taliban
How do you propose our limited number of troops (who had no reinforcements and could not be resupplied given the conditions avoiding re-escalation) remaining in Afghanistan "force" the Taliban to do anything?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 1:17 pm to RollingwiththeTide
The question I have is if we had it, how would we supply it? Through Pakistan? It's land locked and bordered on all sides with countries that are either hostile or not traditionally friendly with the US. How would you supply Bagram? It would likely be a liability, troops and assets there might be cut off unless you wanted to open up hostilities with yet another country in the region.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 1:17 pm to NC_Tigah
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In the same way we operate a base in the middle of Cuba???
Cuba lost
The Taliban won
This is a major distinction that was already pointed out to you
Posted on 4/4/26 at 1:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:They shouldn't have negotiated with that massive military win and all.
The Taliban won
Posted on 4/4/26 at 1:21 pm to SquatchDawg
quote:
The premise of your argument is that we would be escalating a 20 year war by maintaining an airbase that we had continually controlled for more than a decade?
1. We agree to peace deal with Taliban
2. We renege* on that peace deal with Taliban (after having lots of troops and assets already leave Afghanistan, including our resupply lines).
3. Taliban says we don't get Bagram back.
4. How do we keep Bagram, at that point, without escalating from the current position we were in at the time (again, lots of troops and assets already gone, following a peace deal we agreed to).?
*While I know people in here claim that they reneged, unless they admit to it, which they wouldn't, they would then claim we reneged.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 1:22 pm to Jbird
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They shouldn't have negotiated with that massive military win and all.
We agreed to a 100% withdrawal
Posted on 4/4/26 at 1:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
We agreed to a 100% withdrawal
Why
would
they
negotiate
with
that
overwhelming
victory?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 1:26 pm to Jbird
quote:
Why
would
they
negotiate
with
that
overwhelming
victory?
For them that's a near complete victory. We left and put the Taliban back in complete power of Afghanistan. What else do you think they'd ask for?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 1:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Again they didn't need to at all, I mean it was utter decimation!
For them that's a near complete victory.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 1:39 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
No troops needed to be sent back in. They simply needed to be allowed to force the Taliban to abide conditions of Doha, and at the end, they needed to be deployed differently.
It’s the Taliban. We couldn’t force them to abide by anything for 20 years.
What you are describing is just continuing to fight a war in Afghanistan.
Trump, finally, ended the war. Ending the war means a withdrawal. A withdrawal means a Taliban reconquest.
We could have continued to stay in Afghanistan and keep the Taliban somewhat confined. Or we could leave.
But maintaining some island in Taliban land is not a realistic outcome.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 1:41 pm to Jbird
quote:
A what if is so hard
No, and what if is easy.
What if a mossad agent caught Trump sucking Bill Clinton's dick on camera and Bibi said you're going to attack Iran or this picture goes on Reddit?
That scenario is every bit as true as the fiction you've created.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 1:43 pm to wadewilson
quote:No need to post your wet dream Wade.
What if a mossad agent caught Trump sucking Bill Clinton's dick on camera and Bibi said you're going to attack Iran or this picture goes on Reddit?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 1:43 pm to RollingwiththeTide
TRUMP is always right......thats a fact.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 1:51 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Doha was conditional. The Taliban broke conditions almost as soon as Biden took office. That voided Doha. But Biden was in a panicked race for the exit.
The Taliban broke the terms of the deal the entire way. They actually ramped up terror attacks while the details of Doha were still being hammered out and continued their efforts while Trump was still in office.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 1:58 pm to oldskule
If Trump says a thing, it's true, even when he said the opposite thing before.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 2:01 pm to LegendInMyMind
quote:
The Taliban broke the terms of the deal the entire way.
Yea I mean it’s the Taliban. Anyone who thought the Taliban would honor a deal is nuts.
This thread reveals one thing - a lot of us haven’t accepted we lost the Afghan was. At best, we quit. When you lose/quit a war you don’t keep your bases within a still hostile government.
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