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re: How handy would Bagram Airbase be right now?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:06 am to Jbird
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:06 am to Jbird
At any point after the transition of the base, which was a failure by Biden in execution 100%, did Trump make a comment that he would have maintained and resumed the war instead? He had multiple years to make this sort of statement.
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Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:07 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Oh boy Kill shot!
At any point after the transition of the base, which was a failure by Biden in execution 100%, did Trump make a comment that he would have maintained and resumed the war instead? He had multiple years to make this sort of statement.
Joey would be proud of this irrelevant statement!
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:10 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Voila! You've had a f*cking epiphany!
Trump wasn't even president during the period to renegotiate this deal.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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Nobody wanted to continue the war in Afghanistan
So are you implying we’re at war with every country that we maintain an airbase in? Nice strawman argument but nobody is discussing whether we continued the war in Afghanistan.
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It was his agreement. You can't avoid this factual statement.
And you can’t avoid that Biden was not bound by this agreement and is 100% responsible for the withdrawal.
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Accurately stating facts about Trump's deals is now TDS because it turned out to be a bad deal (but not really).
I said that blaming Trump for Biden’s handling of the Afghanistan withdrawal is ridiculous and being unable to do so is a clear sign of TDS.
I have no issue saying that Trump shouldn’t have given up Bagram IMO. Why is it so hard for you to acknowledge that Biden was ultimately responsible for how this transpired?
ETA: wait! You did!
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any point after the transition of the base, which was a failure by Biden in execution 100%, did Trump make a comment that he would have maintained and resumed the war instead?
But you still can’t help yourself in tying it back to a Trump failure since he didn’t retroactively comment on …what?….maintaining the war?
Have a good day counselor.
This post was edited on 4/4/26 at 10:23 am
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:24 am to SquatchDawg
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So are you implying we’re at war with every country that we maintain an airbase in? Nice strawman argument but nobody is discussing whether we continued the war in Afghanistan.
Jesus fricking Christ. We were already at war. Complete withdrawal of troops was part of the agreement to end the war.
The options were to finish withdrawal or to send troops back in & back to square one. Y’all can’t actually be this retarded. Gotta be disingenuous.
This post was edited on 4/4/26 at 10:26 am
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:25 am to SquatchDawg
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Why is it so hard for you to acknowledge that Biden was ultimately responsible for how this transpired?
Because he was started from an untenable position. ~2,500 troops remained in Afghanistan by the time Biden took office. It doesn't take a military genius to understand that's not enough to hold Afghanistan, Kabul, or even just Bagram alone.
Taliban wanted every last US and other foreign soldiers out of Afghanistan. An agreement, sign by the Trump administration, already agreed to full withdrawal, including Bagram.
You're blaming Biden and claiming he should have renegotiated from a position of absolute weakness and holding no cards. Why would the Taliban renegotiate when they are on the cusp of having it all? There's nothing the US could do to stop them from taking it aside from a full reinvasion which no one was going to support. You're asking the impossible from Biden.
How exactly would you have forced the Taliban to hand over Bagram? Military force hadn't worked for 20 years, so that's not going to work. What else would you offer them?
This post was edited on 4/4/26 at 10:27 am
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:33 am to DeathByTossDive225
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The options were to withdraw or to send more troops & back to square one.
So your position is that we couldn’t maintain Bagram without escalating the war? At least long enough to get our people and billions worth of shite out of there?
What would the Taliban have done if we told them we’re keeping Bagram for the foreseeable future? Got mad? Not take our money?
Are you saying our military isn’t capable securing a military base in the middle of the desert? That we wouldn’t dare want the Taliban angry with us so we need to do them a solid?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:35 am to SquatchDawg
Bagram would have been surrounded and destroyed. They would have faced constant artillery attacks and any aircraft there would be destroyed.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:37 am to uziyourillusion
It's truly amazing they negotiated anything at all!
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:37 am to uziyourillusion
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How exactly would you have forced the Taliban to hand over Bagram?
We controlled Bagram before the withdrawal. What are you even fricking talking about?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:40 am to Jbird
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It's truly amazing they negotiated anything at all!
Apparently they could’ve just taken it at any time.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:40 am to SquatchDawg
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~2,500 troops remained in Afghanistan by the time Biden took office.
We controlled Bagram before the withdrawal started, and part of the agreement Trump negotiated and began executing was to withdraw all troops from the region.
Again, you’re either being disingenuous or your IQ is room temp.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:40 am to SquatchDawg
How would you have defended it? You honestly think you can just wall up in an airbase indefinitely? Constant artillery and rocket attacks? Drone attacks? etc? You think that would have been worth the causalities and cost of defending? Absolute fantasy world.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:46 am to uziyourillusion
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Bagram would have been surrounded and destroyed. They would have faced constant artillery attacks and any aircraft there would be destroyed.
So we can blow the shite up in their country for 20 years but won’t be able to defend an airbase…in the desert…with all of our capabilities? The Taliban wouldn’t worry at all about repercussions of doing something?
Don’t let the Cubans know this. They’ll surround Guantanamo and hurl hand grenades over the fence.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:50 am to DeathByTossDive225
I said multiple times I disagree with that decision. At least in the near term when we still had people and stuff to get out of there.
We can debate whether Bagram should have been held and for how long. But to think we can’t defend a fully armed base in Afghanistan against the Taliban, for at least long enough to get what we want out is laughable.
We can debate whether Bagram should have been held and for how long. But to think we can’t defend a fully armed base in Afghanistan against the Taliban, for at least long enough to get what we want out is laughable.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:53 am to Powerman
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It's well known that Biden was executing a strategy that Trump put into place which is common precedence of how presidential transitions happen. People tend to enforce agreements made by their predecessors whether they agree with them or not
Biden overturned every other Trump strategy and agreement he could get his hands on.
But this one he just couldn’t bring himself to revisit.
Hands were tied on this one. So he doesn’t own this one.
You and death dive love to rewrite history
This post was edited on 4/4/26 at 11:03 am
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:55 am to SquatchDawg
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I said multiple times I disagree with that decision. At least in the near term when we still had people and stuff to get out of there. We can debate whether Bagram should have been held and for how long.
We can also debate what other consequences there would have been with sending troops back to the region after withdrawing the majority of them.
This thread implies we would just have a permanent operational base at Bagram if Biden hadn’t been elected, which is utterly absurd.
Nearly 100 upvotes from folks with the memory of goldfish.
This post was edited on 4/4/26 at 10:56 am
Posted on 4/4/26 at 11:01 am to ned nederlander
Taliban broke the treaty so we weren’t bound by it. Biden could have saved Bagram and could have hit the Taliban. If that idiot only had the brains of an Orangutan, Afghanistan would not be in the hands of the Taliban. The goat frickers would be hiding in the hills doing goat frickers things. We would have minimal forces there and Taliban wouldn’t have US Equipment.
frick Joe Biden
frick Joe Biden
Posted on 4/4/26 at 11:04 am to DeathByTossDive225
My whole involvement in this shitshow was pointing out that trying to blame Trump for how the withdrawal from Afghanistan was handled was a litmus test for TDS.
Anyone that claims that how the Biden administration executed the withdrawal from Afghanistan was somehow Trumps fault isn’t somebody to take seriously. That’s it.
Anyone that claims that how the Biden administration executed the withdrawal from Afghanistan was somehow Trumps fault isn’t somebody to take seriously. That’s it.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 11:22 am to SquatchDawg
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So are you implying we’re at war with every country that we maintain an airbase in?
No. That is a retarded question
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And you can’t avoid that Biden was not bound by this agreement
Sure. And?
Nobody wanted to continue the war in Afghanistan. That includes Biden.
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I said that blaming Trump for Biden’s handling of the Afghanistan withdrawal
A straw man that literally nobody is arguing
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Why is it so hard for you to acknowledge that Biden was ultimately responsible for how this transpired?
Do you mean the physical transition of the base or the war?
Biden was responsible for not continuing the war and him not doing that is a good thing. Trump negotiating our peace treaty out of the war was also a good thing.
Biden screwed up in executing the transition of the base to the Taliban
This post was edited on 4/4/26 at 11:23 am
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