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How does progressivism expand economic freedom?
Posted on 6/2/18 at 10:44 am
Posted on 6/2/18 at 10:44 am
Question for the liberal/progressives on this board.
Mid term elections are coming up, so I'm curious what your message will be.
Explain to me, how do progressive policies strengthen private sector job growth, increased wages, and expand economic freedom. What policies of yours, allow for the private sector to grow?
Mid term elections are coming up, so I'm curious what your message will be.
Explain to me, how do progressive policies strengthen private sector job growth, increased wages, and expand economic freedom. What policies of yours, allow for the private sector to grow?
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Posted on 6/2/18 at 10:17 pm to BugAC
Any prog care to explain?
Posted on 6/2/18 at 10:19 pm to BugAC
There’s like 4 progs on this site and they are all drive-by posters.
They avoid direct questions and challenges like they were hot chicks.
They avoid direct questions and challenges like they were hot chicks.
Posted on 6/2/18 at 10:42 pm to BugAC
As I understand it, the plan is to massivley increase soy production, thereby providing new jobs.
Posted on 6/3/18 at 7:37 am to BugAC
I'm not a progressive or liberal, but I'll chime in. Your question doesn't make a lot of sense because IMO, those are not ideals of progressives or the left in general. I think they are more concerned with expanding public sector, wage equalization, and economic regulation. I think a more fair question is "How will progressivism facilitate economic growth and efficiency?"
Posted on 6/3/18 at 7:42 am to BadMrKnuckuls
quote:This. Your question is the equivalent of asking whether you can score more goals in hockey or in tennis.
I'm not a progressive or liberal, but I'll chime in. Your question doesn't make a lot of sense because IMO, those are not ideals of progressives or the left in general. I think they are more concerned with expanding public sector, wage equalization, and economic regulation. I think a more fair question is "How will progressivism facilitate economic growth and efficiency?"
Pro Tip: Tennis players are not trying to score goals.
This post was edited on 6/3/18 at 7:56 am
Posted on 6/3/18 at 7:45 am to BugAC
High tax rates free people of the burden of deciding where their money should go. It’s very liberating.
Posted on 6/3/18 at 7:47 am to BadMrKnuckuls
quote:
I think a more fair question is "How will progressivism facilitate economic growth and efficiency?"
Pretty much the same question, but why don't you answer the question you posited?
Here's my answer to you question:
First, if the goal is public sector expansion, then that necessarily inhibits private sector growth. The public sector only exists on the back of the private sector. The larger the public sector is then the more strain there is on the private sector to support it.
Second, wage equaliztion is just a fancy way of saying that the government will decide who makes what. In communist/socialist countries where wages are fixed only three classes thrive: those in power, those directly connected to those in power and criminals. Everyone else gets only what the government decides they need. Few, if any, flourish.
Third, economic regulation is more of public sector expansion. Regulated economies require massive bureaucracies to manage them. Again, such overbearing government stifles economic growth and opportunity. Some regulation is necessary, but I believe you're referring to a more controlled economy than what we have here in the U. S.
Posted on 6/3/18 at 8:22 am to mtntiger
I didn't answer my question because I'm not liberal or progressive. But if you'd like my answer, it's simply that I don't think progressive policies will facilitate growth and efficiency.
I think the distinction between the original question and my question is important. The original question is asking how left wing policies will achieve a right wing goal. My question poses it as asking how left wing policies can achieve a goal sought by both left and right wings
To comment specifically on your points
1. I get that the public and private sectors work in tandem, but the left and the right prioritize the two differently. I believe the private sector to be far more important, but the left would probably disagree
2. Completely agree
3. Also agree, the left seeks a more controlled economy
With all that said, you didn't actually answer my question either. Your points illustrate how progressivism inhibits economic growth, not facilitates it. Again, I agree with that, but it didn't answer the question. In all honestly I'm not really concerned with the answer to my question, I was only concerned that the correct question be asked to have more a constructive discussion
I think the distinction between the original question and my question is important. The original question is asking how left wing policies will achieve a right wing goal. My question poses it as asking how left wing policies can achieve a goal sought by both left and right wings
To comment specifically on your points
1. I get that the public and private sectors work in tandem, but the left and the right prioritize the two differently. I believe the private sector to be far more important, but the left would probably disagree
2. Completely agree
3. Also agree, the left seeks a more controlled economy
With all that said, you didn't actually answer my question either. Your points illustrate how progressivism inhibits economic growth, not facilitates it. Again, I agree with that, but it didn't answer the question. In all honestly I'm not really concerned with the answer to my question, I was only concerned that the correct question be asked to have more a constructive discussion
Posted on 6/3/18 at 8:41 am to BadMrKnuckuls
Legalize hemp, maaaan! Serious revenue.
Stop bathing and save water resources.
Stop bathing and save water resources.
Posted on 6/3/18 at 8:45 am to BugAC
They print money to create the illusion of economic freedom. Then when they've created illusion of financial stability they raise 'confiscatory' taxes. It's called manipulation of currency and it's the biggest scam a government can execute against its own citizens.
They have other schemes they invent to launder money to their cronies. Like the one Obama (aka Pooky) came up with. Set up dummy companies. You know environmental companies making widgets to save the planet. Then pump (excuse me launder) federal grants and stuff to these companies who then make donations to.....(you guessed it) the democrat party.
In the meantime the national debt balloons up up and up!
They have other schemes they invent to launder money to their cronies. Like the one Obama (aka Pooky) came up with. Set up dummy companies. You know environmental companies making widgets to save the planet. Then pump (excuse me launder) federal grants and stuff to these companies who then make donations to.....(you guessed it) the democrat party.
In the meantime the national debt balloons up up and up!
Posted on 6/3/18 at 9:31 am to BugAC
This post was edited on 10/1/20 at 11:29 am
Posted on 6/3/18 at 9:50 am to BugAC
It doesn't
Posted on 6/3/18 at 9:52 am to BugAC
quote:
How does progressivism expand economic freedom?
by warping the definition of the word "freedom"
kind of like how "equality" doesn't mean "treated equally under the law" it means "equal outcomes"
they will warp the usage of "freedom" to imply that a person making his/her own decisions is not really an exercise of free will because of various disadvantages (economic and social, primarily), and the only way to allow for "freedom" is to have government effectively take over and regulate society so much that it uses unicorn farts to remove all externalities and we are all on equal footing when making these decisions
Posted on 6/3/18 at 9:52 am to BugAC
False premise that the left wants economic freedom. They want economic equality (sometimes using the words 'fairness' or 'justice.').
Posted on 6/3/18 at 9:53 am to BugAC
quote:By enabling successes for capable indigents or the disadvantaged who might not otherwise enjoy the opportunity.
How does progressivism expand economic freedom?
This post was edited on 6/3/18 at 9:54 am
Posted on 6/3/18 at 9:54 am to Zach
quote:
They want economic equality (sometimes using the words 'fairness' or 'justice.').
but they have won the "war on words" to make "freedom" become that. sad
a close friend of mine who is very progressive once lost her fricking mind when we were watching "best of enemies" and i told her how "freedom breeds inequality" is one of my favorite quotes of all time. she legit melted down
Posted on 6/3/18 at 9:58 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
by warping the definition of the word "freedom" kind of like how "equality" doesn't mean "treated equally under the law" it means "equal outcomes" they will warp the usage of "freedom" to imply that a person making his/her own decisions is not really an exercise of free will because of various disadvantages (economic and social, primarily), and the only way to allow for "freedom" is to have government effectively take over and regulate society so much that it uses unicorn farts to remove all externalities and we are all on equal footing when making these decisions
Well, this thread was fun.
Posted on 6/3/18 at 11:24 am to BugAC
The idea is that by ensuring all peoples have their basic needs met (housing, food, healthcare, education, etc) that it will free people to pursue their passions and take risks.
What it really does is shackle people to endless poverty because they don't have to work to survive, which is the only reason people really work at anything anyways.
What it really does is shackle people to endless poverty because they don't have to work to survive, which is the only reason people really work at anything anyways.
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