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re: How can the average person afford to live?
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:05 pm to geauxbrown
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:05 pm to geauxbrown
None taken at all. I understand that’s a problem too. I think folks are growing up and some were valuing themselves too highly. But always better to value yourself a bit too high than to feel you have no value at all. Many of those folks now have paid their dues like I have and see that it’s possible to steer the boat away from the rocks. That’s the goal.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:10 pm to Richleau
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What’s more difficult is cost of education is at an all time high. Cost of Homes are at an all time high forcing people to either live at home or rent. Rent as a result is at an all time high as well.
This is where it gets into economics. I don't think housing is much different today than it has been once you account for cycles and things like value in use.
Education is an interesting discussion. I think the Left far more than a particular generation is accountable for the abortion we now call a college education.
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I mean, it’s not completely true though that youth have created more government. Post 9/11 has seen the patriot act, fisa, the creation of homeland security. Pre 9/11 you had the creation of the department of education, the nuclear regulatory commission, etc. like I said. It’s been going on for a long time.
Yes, growing for a long time but the slope is increasing.
This post was edited on 9/2/23 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:13 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Stay locked and loaded!!
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:30 pm to Stonehog
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You had it easier by every conceivable metric.
The only metric by which we had it easier is your assertions. You can show no data.
It’s easier than ever now to get ahead. You guys are just lazy fricks with excuses.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:31 pm to TOPAL
Rent and Housing is what eats people alive.
I can tell you that i was probably in that number also.
We were very much the fake it before you make it type of people for awhile when we were younger, but we lived life and enjoyed ourselves and I do not have any regrets.
We was in school and I worked hourly jobs that provided for us. We took vacations, went to games, concerts and school loans.
We always paid on time and never had a new car until about 2013.
We lived in trailer in Auburn for 12 years, because we never could have afforded the down payment or mortgage on a $160K house which is what a 3bd/2bath at around 1200 sq ft went for. For the record my 16 x 72 had 1152 sq ft. We owned it and lot rent was $200-250 the whole time we lived there.
Moved to Mobile in 2014 and have excellent credit because of the credit cards and one used car we bought. Bought a house in Mobile, 3/2 with 1308 sq ft...Mortgage is $550/month.
I know a single mom that was paying $1700/month for a place my size.
I can tell you that i was probably in that number also.
We were very much the fake it before you make it type of people for awhile when we were younger, but we lived life and enjoyed ourselves and I do not have any regrets.
We was in school and I worked hourly jobs that provided for us. We took vacations, went to games, concerts and school loans.
We always paid on time and never had a new car until about 2013.
We lived in trailer in Auburn for 12 years, because we never could have afforded the down payment or mortgage on a $160K house which is what a 3bd/2bath at around 1200 sq ft went for. For the record my 16 x 72 had 1152 sq ft. We owned it and lot rent was $200-250 the whole time we lived there.
Moved to Mobile in 2014 and have excellent credit because of the credit cards and one used car we bought. Bought a house in Mobile, 3/2 with 1308 sq ft...Mortgage is $550/month.
I know a single mom that was paying $1700/month for a place my size.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:32 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
There’s more affordable housing coming on the market everyday to accommodate the growing “average” population.


Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:33 pm to Richleau
quote:Dude, you're wallowing in a sty of embarrassment here. Rather than "Boomer" comparisons and ignorant laments as to how much better others had it than your generation, take some ownership.
Economics have nothing to do with it
Those boomers grew up in homes with linoleum floors, naugahyde furniture, formica counters, +/- a/c, and about 1000 fewer sqft than you or zoomers.
More than half their generation completed all their education before calculators were even a thing. Though Boomers essentially developed the functional PC, PCs came too late for virtually any of them to use in college.
Phones were tethered to the wall by cords. A 13" tube TV with terrible reception/resolution cost more in actual dollars (not inflation adjusted) than a 65" 4K UHD Smart TV today. Inflation adjusted, Boomers paid about 5X more for their 13" 4-channel TV than millenials/zoomers pay for their 65" 4K UHD Smart TV's today.
When PCs did come available, Boomers paid $400 ($2000 in today's money) for a 20MB (yes ... MB) harddrive. They paid disproportionately more for groceries than you do. Their cars lasted about 5yrs as opposed to >10 today. Most never dreamed of traveling overseas.
I'd guess if you had to live their life instead of your own, you'd be very disappointed by comparison. So how about ceasing with the woe is me bullshite. You and your compadres were born in the the wealthiest country in the world, and the country providing the most opportunity of any, and you're complaining? REALLY?
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:34 pm to David_DJS
So now that we’ve identified the problem, do you think incremental reform is the best course of action or do you think it’s best to rip the band aid off? I highly doubt incremental reform can survive the coming tide of woke crap being administered and fostered through the department of education and via the administrative state.
No, that would be like the frog in the pot of water heating to boil.
No, that would be like the frog in the pot of water heating to boil.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:38 pm to Richleau
quote:NO!
What’s more difficult is cost of education is at an all time high.
What makes it more difficult is the refusal to navigate the challenge. If one can't afford college to begin with, the last damn thing in the world he should do is go into debt to gain a nonsense degree from an expensive institution.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:40 pm to Stonehog
quote:When you return, lay out those metrics ... if you can.
You had it easier by every conceivable metric.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:41 pm to Richleau
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So now that we’ve identified the problem, do you think incremental reform is the best course of action or do you think it’s best to rip the band aid off? I highly doubt incremental reform can survive the coming tide of woke crap being administered and fostered through the department of education and via the administrative state.
No, that would be like the frog in the pot of water heating to boil.
It's a popular idea to "burn it all down" but I don't think anybody wants how that happens, and what we end up with. Moreover, if 2020 didn't get people off their couch and riled up to change things, I don't know what would.
And there's more options than "rip the band aid off" and incremental reform. It would be nice if a legit leader or two stepped forward.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:42 pm to Richleau
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These old bastards don’t understand simple concepts like that. Doing so would invalidate their inflated ego. frick em.
I see how y’all live, and it’s better than we lived - certainly better than I lived. I was willing to go out in the hot sun and labor. Are you? There’s your answer, pussy.
BTW, I had four children and inherited a niece and nephew. All six are in their 30s, have spouses, children (except one), and homes. All six living better than we did in our 30’s. Now, by my 40’s my wife and I were kicking arse and taking names.
This post was edited on 9/2/23 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:53 pm to NC_Tigah
I hear ya. That’s what I did and I have been very successful while also not being saddled with debt. Not everyone chose my route though and believe me it’s not an easy decision to make. But I always felt I could go back and get that degree if I wanted.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:53 pm to Penrod
quote:... and there it is. The advantage you have is you've seen both. He hasn't.
I see how y’all live, and it’s better than we lived
Posted on 9/2/23 at 8:56 pm to Richleau
quote:Then that's their problem. It is neither caused by, nor secondary to, some supposed "Boomer."
Not everyone chose my route though
Posted on 9/2/23 at 9:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Most people
Spend money they don't have on things they don't need. I'm in that boat right now, but my income fluctuates so carrying a little bit of debt for a couple of months is normal. I'm in a tough spot at the moment, but I should hopefully be able to get out of it if I can get through the end of the year with nothing major happening.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 9:08 pm to LSUSkip
Well I hope it works out for you then. I’m sure it will. Responsibility is always an issue but changing the playing field is necessary as well and just because things were tough for others does not mean the mechanisms that made things more difficult should not be re-examined, changed or removed entirely.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 9:25 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
And a new Cadillac cost $500 in 1960.
If you’re poor in this economy you are either stupid or lazy.
If you’re poor in this economy you are either stupid or lazy.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 9:31 pm to Motownsix
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And a new Cadillac cost $500 in 1960.
More like 10x that.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 9:38 pm to Richleau
Richleau This Boomer started out making $2.10 per hour. 30 years later I made $42k per year and bought a house, got an advanced degree. This poor arse planned and educated myself properly. I have plenty money to retire on and Im not retirement age. It can be done. (I didn't get married or have kids).
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