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re: House GOP leaders play hardball to stop Luna push for proxy voting for new parents
Posted on 4/1/25 at 12:21 pm to SallysHuman
Posted on 4/1/25 at 12:21 pm to SallysHuman
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Childbirth recovery should take no longer than a week
is this how we're going to treat new moms though? shouldn't republicans be promoting helping moms?
this is not a good look for republicans to come after luna on this IMO
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Posted on 4/1/25 at 12:22 pm to monsterballads
just seems like such a small thing to be on the same side for. like I said, put a cap on it. 3 or 6 months. after that, you have to vote in person.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 12:25 pm to Riverside
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Just looked it up and Luna only voted on 69% of the bills in the last Congress. She missed 380 votes.
Voting Record: 69.4%Recorded Votes (861)Missed Votes (380)
Where did you get your data?
GovTrack says she missed 16% of her votes in the 118th Congress.
Considering that’s when she gave birth, it makes sense that she missed some, but this tracking shows nowhere near the number you cite.
GovTrack
Posted on 4/1/25 at 12:28 pm to monsterballads
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I mean this is a pretty rare thing. how many new moms are there in congress at any given time? 1 or 2? I think this should be an exception and republicans should be at the forefront of it. show the common sense they always talk about.
This particular case is indeed, very rare.
It would seem to align with pro family, conservative values.
How many congress critters currently are on dialysis, chemo, radiation or other conditions that prevent them from showing to vote?
Are we okay with exceptions for other health concerns? If not, why not? If so, where is the line drawn?
Isn't there at least one tranny critter? What is the rule when that person wants proxy voting cuz it needs some 'life saving' gender 'affirming' care?
It is truly an all or none situation, otherwise it constitutes special treatment which is not aligned with conservative values.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 12:31 pm to monsterballads
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is this how we're going to treat new moms though? shouldn't republicans be promoting helping moms?
It won't stay about new moms.. that is the camel's nose.
It will be expanded to other serious health concerns. Because, seriously, why is a SPOUSE'S childbirth (I read this is not just moms, but new dads too) more important than another critter's cancer treatments and recovery?
Posted on 4/1/25 at 12:36 pm to SallysHuman
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Childbirth recovery should take no longer than a week for an uncomplicated birth or two or three weeks for a complicated one. I say this having had two c-sections.
You've never pushed a child out of your vagina, yet you're claiming recovery should only take a week? Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about.
My wife had a grade 2 tear, just because the baby came out with her fist on one side, and her recovery took a full 6-7 weeks. Report back when you actually push a baby out your vagina.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 12:37 pm to Diego Ricardo
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Slippery slope is not a real argument when each successive step down the slope needs consent from the body.
The body is aging... if they'll vote this for themselves, they will vote other exceptions for themselves.
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This is for pregnant women. It is not a significant population but it is the compassionate thing to do.
Compassionate thing. So would it be for other health conditions. So would it be for members dealing with their families' health conditions. Slippery slope is real.
Allow it for anything or allow it for nothing.
Exceptions are special treatment.
Special treatment is hypocritical, especially coming from a party that is actively fighting against special treatment concerning DEI, LGBTQRS, gender special allowances in the military, and so on.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 12:37 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
If she wants to go on maternity leave fine. But she has to give up her pay and collect short term disability like most in corporate America. I'm sure there can be a compromise on filling these short term vacancies with a same party deligate.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 12:40 pm to Bonkers119
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You've never pushed a child out of your vagina, yet you're claiming recovery should only take a week? Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. My wife had a grade 2 tear, just because the baby came out with her fist on one side, and her recovery took a full 6-7 weeks. Report back when you actually push a baby out your vagina.
Dipshit... I said two or three weeks for a complicated birth. Six weeks for availability of childcare.
C-sections require recovery too, and I have had two of them, one complicated and one simple and scheduled. I can't compare it to a vaginal birth as I've not had one of those, but I'd say my scar was bigger than a grade 2 tear.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 12:43 pm to Riverside
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If family issues or an illness keep you from doing your job of representing your district, then step aside and allow others to serve.
Great idea. Let her designate a deputy to vote in person on her behalf while she needs to step aside for child birth.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 12:46 pm to Ag Zwin
I pulled my stats from CSPAN. Your link says she was the 16th most absent member of Congress. She was ranked 1 spot ahead of Jamal “Fire Alarm” Bowman who was the 17th most absent.
And to be clear, I’m not directing this just at Luna. I actually like her, but I just think these people need to show up and vote in person. I don’t like mail-in ballots and I don’t like proxy voting for congressmen.
And to be clear, I’m not directing this just at Luna. I actually like her, but I just think these people need to show up and vote in person. I don’t like mail-in ballots and I don’t like proxy voting for congressmen.
This post was edited on 4/1/25 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 4/1/25 at 12:47 pm to AlextheBodacious
I'll assume all of these that support Luna's position will also support Pelosi having someone vote in her place when she is in the hospital getting a liver transplant.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 12:49 pm to BuckyCheese
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I'll assume all of these that support Luna's position will also support Pelosi having someone vote in her place when she is in the hospital getting a liver transplant.
Exactly. I don't know why this isn't obvious.
All... or none.
Conservative values means equality, not equity.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 12:50 pm to BuckyCheese
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I'll assume all of these that support Luna's position will also support Pelosi having someone vote in her place when she is in the hospital getting a liver transplant.
The executive branch has protocol when potus gets a colonoscopy. Seems like the legislative side should come up with something similar. More recesses seems like a good start.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 12:50 pm to BuckyCheese
Exactly. You allow it for pregnant women, then you have to allow Grandma Vodka to vote by proxy from her hospital bed in San Francisco.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 12:51 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
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Luna earlier this month had gotten more than 200 House Democrats and about a dozen Republicans to sign a discharge petition to allow her to force floor action on the proxy voting resolution
If you're voting with 200 democrats against the majority of Republicans, then it's probably not a good thing.
If you support letting new moms vote by proxy then there is no logical argument to refuse other medical/lifestyle excuses. If you ever complained about Feinstein voting by proxy while comatose, then you shouldn't support this. This will end up with 80 year old democrats routinely voting by proxy even though they haven't been seen in public for weeks.
It's a very bad precedent.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 12:52 pm to Riverside
Bingo. You start making allowances and no one will show up.
These are highly compensated people and need to do their job. frick them trying to weasel out of it.
These are highly compensated people and need to do their job. frick them trying to weasel out of it.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 12:53 pm to AlextheBodacious
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The executive branch has protocol when potus gets a colonoscopy. Seems like the legislative side should come up with something similar. More recesses seems like a good start.
One president is easier to make allowances for than 435 congress critters. But, you have a point... recess any time one of the 435 has a problem, I can't argue with that.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 12:53 pm to SallysHuman
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Special treatment is hypocritical, especially coming from a party that is actively fighting against special treatment concerning DEI, LGBTQRS, gender special allowances in the military, and so on.
I guess I just come from an upbringing where the community took care of pregnant women and it shapes how I see this issue. Perhaps giving a pregnant woman your seat in a busy waiting room isn't the same thing as this but it feels that way to me in my gut.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 1:08 pm to Diego Ricardo
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I guess I just come from an upbringing where the community took care of pregnant women and it shapes how I see this issue. Perhaps giving a pregnant woman your seat in a busy waiting room isn't the same thing as this but it feels that way to me in my gut.
I get it. And I believe pregnant women and new mothers are special and deserve special treatment. Just not in government representation.
Not because I'm mean... but because, in fairness, this would expand rapidly to cover other things. If it is good for the pregnant lady it's good for the man with cancer, or the drunk Pelosi needing a liver, or the transgender wanting facial feminization surgery... and so on.
The Republican party has gone in HARD against special treatment. How does it look to abolish DEI across the federal government, kick the troons out of the military and require women to meet the same standards as men in military combat fitness ... but then allow Mr. CongressCritter 12 weeks of proxy voting because his wife (or husband) had (or bought) a baby?
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