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re: Honest question: what is the explanation of the ballistics with Charlie?
Posted on 10/4/25 at 10:04 am to GAFF
Posted on 10/4/25 at 10:04 am to GAFF
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Shot lots of deer with a 30-06 at that range. Sometimes the bullet comes out. Sometimes it doesn’t. Never once has the bullet ever blew a deers back out when it did exit.
There’s a big difference between a body shot on a deer and a neck shot on Kirk.
Assuming he had a 16” neck, the diameter of his neck would only be about 5”, if my math is right.
Even if the bullet hit his spinal column dead on, is that enough to stop it from passing through a 5” diameter?
I honestly don’t know, I've dealt with gunshot wounds but never a 30/06 round in the neck.
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 10:09 am to dnm3305
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He was shot from behind
100%
Posted on 10/4/25 at 10:11 am to CharlesLSU
Also convenient that recently these alleged shooters are writing all sorts of messages on bullets and weapons. Seems suspicious.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 10:36 am to Ag Zwin
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What happened to the theory that it hit his vest first and ricocheted up?
You can see from pictures of him at the event he wasn’t wearing any type of vest.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 10:49 am to lake chuck fan
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If it was an entry wound, that white banner behind him would have been splattered with blood and tissue.
I'm definitely with you on that - there are a lot of questions I have wrt the information that has been released.
I do not think that thing he dropped off the roof just before jumping to the ground contained a 30-06 - even the barrel alone would have been longer than that image portrays. - maybe it was just a very poor (or manipulated) video.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 10:51 am to Diamondawg
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What do you win if you are right?
Right about what? That it isn't as the media told us it was?
I guess if I'm right, I get the truth? The thought that even if justice isn't given to those that coordinated this attack, at least we will know who?
Posted on 10/4/25 at 10:51 am to CharlesLSU
I suspect it hit the spine and deflected.
I've shot enough to know you can never predict what the projectile will do once it inters the target full of bones and muscle. Particularly at distance.
I've shot enough to know you can never predict what the projectile will do once it inters the target full of bones and muscle. Particularly at distance.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 10:53 am to RogerTheShrubber
I’m curious on the loss of velocity at 600 ft
I just went to an online velocity calculator
And I’m surprised, but I don’t do much hunting, but according to the calculator, the round would’ve only lost 20 to 25% of its initial velocity and still have about 1800 foot pounds at 200 yards
I just went to an online velocity calculator
And I’m surprised, but I don’t do much hunting, but according to the calculator, the round would’ve only lost 20 to 25% of its initial velocity and still have about 1800 foot pounds at 200 yards
This post was edited on 10/4/25 at 10:57 am
Posted on 10/4/25 at 10:58 am to Old Sarge
For those saying he was shot from the back, wouldn't there be splatter from the front? Wouldn't the bullet have hit someone in the audience?
Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:00 am to BozemanTiger
Congratulations.
15 people who have never been in the field.
Sad.
15 people who have never been in the field.
Sad.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:01 am to Old Sarge
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the round would’ve only lost 20 to 25% of its initial velocity and still have about 1800 foot pounds at 200 yards
So much depends on the bullet and its construction/reaction. I dont understand why people want this to be a conspiracy so badly. They have tons of physical evidence against Tyler.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:04 am to UtahCajun
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Unless you know bullet weight and design, you really do not know.
FMJ...pass right through without causing as much damage relatively.
Anything bonded, over 168 grain expanding bullet, would smash right through anything in a human body and would cause a large exit wound.
A lighter, non-bonded bullet, moving at or around 3000 fps, would do pretty much exactly what the official story says. It would create a violent entry wound, could deflect off of human bone and get trapped under the skin.
All of ^^^ THIS ^^^.
Plus, I've not heard it mentioned literally anywhere, but it's a thought I've had, that it's possible that the shells were light reloads because whoever did it didn't know what they were doing. That would also make sense.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:04 am to RogerTheShrubber
No conspiracy
Was just curious about velocity of the round
Was just curious about velocity of the round
Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:05 am to Old Sarge
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Was just curious about velocity of the round
Oh I know.
But these threads are always full of conspiracy theorists overthinking and overanalyzing everything.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:05 am to NC_Tigah
The angle confuses me. The top picture you post shows a completely different angle than the next two pictures. I also hunt enough to know what a 30-06 would like due to someone’s neck and that ain’t it. Of course anything is possible but one has to admit there are a lot of strange things going on here.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:07 am to John somers
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That you're not the ballistics expert you think you are.
He's got that in common with 80% of this board and probably 30% of the general population.
I don't have professional ballistics knowledge either. But i am aware that I don't. That's the difference.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:12 am to RogerTheShrubber
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these threads are always full of conspiracy theorists overthinking and overanalyzing everything.
If anything ever needed "overthinking and overanalyzing", it was this sloppy "event".
Exactly NOTHING made sense from A-Z and in between.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:13 am to TigerAxeOK
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Plus, I've not heard it mentioned literally anywhere, but it's a thought I've had, that it's possible that the shells were light reloads because whoever did it didn't know what they were doing. That would also make sense
I usually do not suscribe to conspiracies, but I have watched the video several times. The thing that stood out to me was lack of report from the rifle. With that many buildings, the report should have been loud. To me, it sounds like a supersonic round shot with a suppressor.
EOD, I do not know. No one here knows.
I do handload though and I have several calibers. My home protection rounds are all light for caliber, non-bonded, pushed to good velocity. Bacically, I want the projectile to fail inside the body and not overpenetrate. Wounds would like like Charlie's and projectile would not penetrate all the way through. You will however, find pieces of it anywhere in the body.
This post was edited on 10/4/25 at 11:18 am
Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:18 am to EphesianArmor
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Exactly NOTHING made sense from A-Z and in between.
I disagree. It makes perfect sense.
Let me ask you this, why would Trumps administration want to lie about this?
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