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re: Holy shite: the document leaked by buzzfeed was created by 4chan trolls

Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:46 pm to
Posted by Flavius Belisarius
Member since Feb 2016
990 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:46 pm to
Can someone ELI5 what all this means? TIA
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:50 pm to
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The buzzfeed docs may be true or may be false but whomever posted on 4chan is full of shite.


The fact that 4chan is taken as a serious source by anyone in indicative of how far yall have sunk.

4chan is one giant joke.

Anyway, the document was deemed to be accurate enough by the intelligence agencies to brief both trump and obama on it. They generally don't brief the president unless they think its substantial.

Posted by TrebleHook
Member since Jun 2016
1356 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:01 pm to
They give him a daily briefing
Posted by VOLhalla
Knoxville
Member since Feb 2011
5126 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:08 pm to
I think it's best to always keep in mind that the average poster here is probably over 40. They've never gone and seen the cesspool that is 4chan
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:20 pm to
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Yeah it does fit really well.

I really don't want to believe that our intelligence community has people so blinded by partisan bullshite that they'd push unverifiable rumors as credible.

Wasn't one of the Hillary IT specialist outed by Reddit before the FBI ever verified a thing?


It is, they do, they are...it is all silly
Posted by UAFanFromNOLA
NOLA
Member since Dec 2011
4882 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:29 pm to
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The fact that 4chan is taken as a serious source by anyone in indicative of how far yall have sunk.
4chan is an anonymous message board. There aren't even screen names to check a post history. If anyone actually takes anything written on a website which is nothing but a troll fest seriously, I cannot understate how stupid that person is.
Posted by Toddy
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2010
27251 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:35 pm to
Are you embarrassed yet that you fell for 4Chan ?
Posted by VOLhalla
Knoxville
Member since Feb 2011
5126 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:35 pm to
Someone took 4chan shite-posting serious enough to shoot up a pizza place in DC
Posted by UAFanFromNOLA
NOLA
Member since Dec 2011
4882 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:36 pm to
And that is embarrassing.
Posted by ScottFowler
NE Ohio
Member since Sep 2012
4709 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:36 pm to
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n a website which is nothing but a troll fest seriously, I cannot understate how stupid that person is.


This is exactly the point. the same media that would have us believe the reports from "intelligence" dept are the same suckers that would fall for this without fact checking first.
This post was edited on 1/10/17 at 10:37 pm
Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
13457 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:36 pm to
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Because this on 4chan you really believe this? You are really really gullible.



Very common on this board. The pizzagate thing was out of control. Oh, and they voted for Trump. Gullible belongs here.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
34212 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:40 pm to
Dude, 4chan posted on Nov 1st that they were scamming Rick Wilson. All the action today directly points to Wilson feeding that BS to McCain, who gave it to the FBI and leaked it to buzzfeed

McCain should resign. Hes a disgrace
Posted by Mrs. Amaro
Uptown Shreveport
Member since Nov 2004
3660 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 11:02 pm to
McCain needs to go. and Comey obviously. Basically need an intelligence overhaul.

Embarrassing
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 11:05 pm to
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Dude, 4chan posted on Nov 1st that they were scamming Rick Wilson.
Then link the post. Don't copy-paste some text that could've come from anywhere. Show me a Photoshopped screenshot at least.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 11:06 pm to
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and Comey obviously.


How hasn't he been canned yet? This should be totally bipartisan. Republicans think that Comey should have taken Hillary out before the Primaries were finished, and Democrats think that he incited a coup to win Trump the election. Either way, Comey has no control whatsoever of the FBI or national security. He turned the election into a shite show. He should absolutely be canned.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 1/10/17 at 11:07 pm to
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 1/10/17 at 11:11 pm to
That's the post? That's not detailed at all other than the fact that it's to Wilson. But I don't see why you're assuming he's the ultimate source, there are other people I follow on Twitter who were hinting at this before Wilson. John Schindler is one.
This post was edited on 1/10/17 at 11:12 pm
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87300 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 11:16 pm to
You're right on Schindler, although I wonder how close he wants to be to Rick Wilson right now. Wilson is about to be on MSNBC FWIW.

I also wonder, now that I'm thinking about it, if the Brit knows Evan McMullin.
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 11:19 pm to
- A 35-page document has come out that is essentially a chronological set of paragraphical memos, allegedly written by some ex-British intelligence operative who amassed an absurd amount of very "specific" details about Trump, his surrogates, Russians in the highest of station like Putin and his surrogates, as well as Clinton and a handful of US, Russian, and random other names of people.

- The document was clearly typed by the same individual. It is uniform and consistent in style and verbiage.

- On page 2, paragraph 3 of the document, it chronicles a story about Trump visiting Russia in 2013 in which he stayed at the Ritz in Moscow in the same room that Obama stays in when he goes there. Then it alleges that Trump hired a bunch of prostitutes to piss on the bed ("golden showers" LOL) because Trump supposedly "hates Obama".

- The problem with this particular story is that it's fake. There are links to an anonymous poster on the 4Chan site going back to November explaining how he made up a document detailing Trump hiring prostitutes in Russia to piss on the bed Obama slept in while they watch Hentai vids in kiddie pajamas. It explains that he sent the document to journalist Rick Wilson who fell for it as if it were legit.

- The 35-page document is full of overwhelming convenience. Every name involved is someone who's a well known associate/surrogate of either Trump, Putin, or Clinton, or a very prominent and public businessman or government official. You or I or anyone could essentially Google "Trump business associates in Russia" or "Putin close ties" or "rich people in Russia" and then make up stories with some kind of random vague interaction or association between each other and it might actually sound plausible.

- Some of the details are so personal and explicit that the alleged "operative" who supposedly secured them would have had to been in the freaking room with Putin or Trump or whomever name was mentioned per particular story. Or the "operative" apparently has dozens and dozens of covert agents infiltrated at the highest levels of both Trump's and Putin's inner circles. As well as a slew of whistleblowers who had access to droves of super sensitive and highly explicit details of overt spy-craft and mass amounts of remarkable espionage at the very highest levels.

- The chronology of the memos and their details very conveniently follows and details many of the conspiracy theories and/or accusations the MSM, even supposed "fake news" outlets, covered, reported on, or simply alleged about Trump between June through Dec. And the problem is, it virtually starts off with a proven fake story, so it makes everything that follows extremely suspect.

- Basically the entire 35-page document is likely a bullshite hoax. There is terrible grammar throughout, along with numerous misspellings and bizarre transitions from English/British dialect spelled words to adolescent level teenage American slang.

- The CIA actually briefed both Obama and Trump as well as a Congressional committee on the details of this 35-page document. It is yet unknown if they have substantiated a single thing written in it.

- The document was recently supplied to a handful of journalists. By whom, we do not know at this time. The assumption is that it's Rick Wilson, who was originally given the fake story about "golden showers" by prostitutes in Moscow with Trump. Several of these journalists and their associated news agencies have reported nothing on it because they haven't been able to substantiate its content. However, CNN and The Guardian have both reported on it and insisted it was provided by a "reliable source", however they also have not yet confirmed its content. But that didn't prevent them from making a ton of damning accusations, inferences, and assumptions slandering Trump anyway.

That's pretty much it. We don't have proof that the document is fake, but it has a proven fake story in it and all of it combined just sounds ridiculously far fetched and absurd. And again, the possibility that this unnamed alleged ex-British intelligence operative was able to even secure all these details is freaking beyond improbable to the point of extreme disbelief.

Logic and common sense says the whole thing is fake AF.
This post was edited on 1/10/17 at 11:23 pm
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
21445 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 11:22 pm to
This is dumb. I'm sure there are dozens of ways to confirm where Trump spent Christmas in 2010. My guess is that he spent it at Mar a Lago. Trump is a pretty big family guy. I very seriously doubt he ditched them all to go spend Christmas in miserable cold Russia getting pissed on.
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