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re: Hobby Lobby decsion offers fodder for Democrat "War On Womenz" meme.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 3:52 pm to GRTiger
Posted on 6/30/14 at 3:52 pm to GRTiger
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You would think Hobby Lobby didn't provide any contraception under their plans the way people are freaking out.
It is a deliberate attempt to distort the facts. No denying it.
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Posted on 6/30/14 at 3:56 pm to Wolfhound45
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Because the VA is doing this so well right now.
That's another can of worms altogether.
ETA: And by a public option, I mean a public health insurance program. Not necessarily a public healthcare system.
This post was edited on 6/30/14 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 6/30/14 at 3:58 pm to DCRebel
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That's another can of worms altogether.
Not really. Perfect example of a public option at work.
Perfect.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 3:59 pm to DCRebel
There is not one part of healthcare or health insurance that would be better if it were run by the government. Not one area would be more efficient, effective, or affordable. Not a single one. There are so many examples to prove that if the private market can operate at a 6/10, the government will operate at negative potato.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 4:03 pm to GRTiger
Crazy thing was this ruling was filed by women, and won by women. Watching the protests on the steps of the Supreme court, it was women fighting women... 
"War on Women" is about getting out the vote.
"War on Women" is about getting out the vote.Posted on 6/30/14 at 4:03 pm to GumboPot
I didn't know Hobby Lobby was prohibiting any of them from going to the doctor of their choice?
Posted on 6/30/14 at 4:03 pm to Wolfhound45
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Not really. Perfect example of a public option at work.
Perfect.
Well, if you wanted to go there...
You're so blinded by the scandal (which was legitimately a problem of poor incentives put in place to mask deficiencies in personal and funding) that you probably don't realize that many studies have concluded that the quality of healthcare offered by the VA is routinely as good as that provided by the private sector.
Ask any doctor who has worked for both the VA and the private healthcare sector. Let us know what it is that they tell you. You might be surprised.
The problem with the VA isn't that the government is involved - the problem is that it is woefully understaffed and underfunded, particularly when you consider that the aging Vietnam vet population and the increased coverage offered under the system (such as coverage for Agent Orange related illness, which wasn't offered until a few years ago) has put significant strain on the system.
The recent scandal in Phoenix wasn't the result of too much government involvement. It was the result of the system being underfunded and understaffed.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 4:05 pm to GRTiger
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There is not one part of healthcare or health insurance that would be better if it were run by the government. Not one area would be more efficient, effective, or affordable. Not a single one.
I disagree.
Case in point - pretty much every public healthcare system in the Western World.
None of them are perfect, but many countries are able to provide healthcare to a higher percentage of their population for less money than we in the US are currently paying. So it's really tough to argue that our system wouldn't, at the very least, be more affordable with the public option, when you consider that our system is, by far, the world's most expensive.
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There are so many examples to prove that if the private market can operate at a 6/10, the government will operate at negative potato.
Well, by all means, could you provide some of these examples?
This post was edited on 6/30/14 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 6/30/14 at 4:06 pm to DCRebel
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the problem is that it is woefully understaffed and underfunded
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The problem with the VA isn't that the government is involved
Posted on 6/30/14 at 4:07 pm to DCRebel
quote:Whom do you think staffs and funds the VA, if not the government?
The problem with the VA isn't that the government is involved - the problem is that it is woefully understaffed and underfunded
Posted on 6/30/14 at 4:08 pm to beebefootballfan
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Hell I want some free viagra, maybe I need to sue over that.
Go work for Hobby Lobby.
It's part of their health care package ;-).
Posted on 6/30/14 at 4:09 pm to DCRebel
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Well, if you wanted to go there...
I work in military health care (twenty three years and counting).
Know VA health care very well (very similar models).
You have to get to the health care to determine the quality. And a government bureaucracy will always stand in the way of delivery of effective care.
Next.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 4:09 pm to asurob1
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It's part of their health care package ;-).
ISWYDT
Posted on 6/30/14 at 4:09 pm to GRTiger
Please, tell me which private organization is providing benefits to our nation's veterans? Or, better yet, tell me which would in the absence of the VA?
Posted on 6/30/14 at 4:11 pm to asurob1
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It's part of their health care package ;-).
Keep your filthy government off of my dick
Posted on 6/30/14 at 4:11 pm to Taxing Authority
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Whom do you think staffs and funds the VA, if not the government?
I get that.
The VA can only spend what Congress appropriates to it. People want to blame Shinseki and Obama for something that could have been prevented better funding (and therefore, better staffing) - something the VA has begged for ever since its inception.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 4:12 pm to Wolfhound45
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I work in military health care (twenty three years and counting).
Know VA health care very well (very similar models).
I worked for the VA for about five years, and my parents worked there until they retired. So, yeah, I too have a pretty solid idea of what I'm talking about.
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You have to get to the health care to determine the quality. And a government bureaucracy will always stand in the way of delivery of effective care.
As if private health insurance companies don't wrap their customers in red tape themselves?
ETA: And even then, studies have shown that VA healthcare routinely performs as well, if not better, than private healthcare.
This post was edited on 6/30/14 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 6/30/14 at 4:14 pm to DCRebel
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As if private health insurance companies don't wrap their customers in red tape themselves?
look up average wait times, I dare you
Posted on 6/30/14 at 4:15 pm to DCRebel
quote:Silly. In size alone we are not analogous to those systems.
Case in point - pretty much every public healthcare system in the Western World.
quote:I suppose this is true if you believe the entire medical care and economic systems can be compared on ONE variable--government intervention. I'm not that much of a simpleton.
So it's really tough to argue that our system wouldn't, at the very least, be more affordable with the public option, when you consider that our system is, by far, the world's most expensive.
I realize that culturally we are far more demanding of services than other nations. We all expect the "gold standard", and we expect it immediately. That has a TREMENDOUS effect on price.
I also realize that our prices are higher (for those that pay) because there are so many that don't pay. That greatly distorts any comparison between prices between our systems.
The comparison is little more than a tired meme that's been eviscerated numerous times on here. I suspect this one will go no better....
Posted on 6/30/14 at 4:15 pm to DCRebel
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Please, tell me which private organization is providing benefits to our nation's veterans? Or, better yet, tell me which would in the absence of the VA?
There is no private organization (and quite frankly - there should not be). The closest you could get (outside the VA) would be a voucher system. And it would be ruled by bureaucracy (again) and rife with fraud and abuse (like Medicaid and Medicare).
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